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hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin

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Willis your host and I think

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everything's working I can't believe it

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Wow

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last week I thought it was just me

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YouTube was not working and then I found

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out Richard Dolan couldn't get on also

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he couldn't stream and it was happening

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to everyone well now it's working

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hooray and we have a interesting show I

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like to do as you people that have

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that I've been doing this show I like to

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do shows with people that are not known

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that they're not on a lot of shows

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actually this is this gentleman's first

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and I just like to get you know

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different takes on this subject he is

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someone very interested in this topic

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he's in the UK and he's staying up late

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for us and I do want to thank everyone

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Facebook page and our guest is Jay

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Matthews again he's in the UK he's got a

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great Facebook page about UFOs and the u

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UK and we're gonna be talking about that

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and how he got into it and all that

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stuff but for now we have mr. Rojas that

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just made it hello hello hello welcome

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the show

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Alejandro thank you sir you happy to be

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here yes so what's going on in the UFO

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world yeah so there's a lot going on of

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course probably the biggest news it's a

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president talking about UFOs essentially

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saying he was briefed he had a short

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meeting and he said he doesn't believe

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in UFOs but he did say when prompted you

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know that I'm leaving it up to the Navy

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pilot so he's obviously aware that these

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Navy pilots have had sightings yeah and

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I actually have seen episode four

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of unidentified and it goes over some of

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this so we get to see some of you know

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how at least it came about where these

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guys have gotten to talk to some of the

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lawmakers in in DC and important people

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in fact I just interviewed Anthony and

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laughs Alipay one of the executive

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producers and he says you know I can't

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go into details of it he's I'm he's like

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I'm absolute absolutely certain that we

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certainly had something to do with that

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disinformation getting to the president

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which is pretty exciting because they

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definitely had the impermissible for the

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information getting to the Navy causing

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them to kind of change their stance and

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take the phenomena more seriously

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that has gotten up now to the president

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so it's a pretty exciting I mean the the

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changes that that we've gone through as

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far as perception of this phenomenon

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it's phenomenal it really is and and

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this the part that he said that you know

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if there's something to this you know

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he's gonna let us know that's that's

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what he says that's what he says now and

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we'll just watch for that tweet I guess

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huh yeah exactly that's what that

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there's a referred to is it's a big

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tweet oh they just told me there's a

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Lian's out there you know before anyone

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can stop them yeah maybe yeah yeah it's

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interesting I mean that briefing got

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that high but what is included in that I

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think would be pretty interesting

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what's up we need details all the

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details yes that would be as to what was

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shared with him yeah yeah yep and

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according to Chris Mellon when I had him

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on you know whatever that was a couple

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years ago that if the president asks for

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something and the government knows they

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have to tell him you know they will tell

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him no matter no matter what it is and

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he said you know the way around that is

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to get something out into like the

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public I'm sorry the private sector to

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get something in the private sector

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and keep it quiet that way but otherwise

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right you know yeah we've talked to Nick

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worked for the Ministry of Defense along

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these lines and the private sector

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organizations such as big lo or Lockheed

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or or Boeing they are not subject to

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FOIA or the Freedom of Information Act

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so they don't have to rebuild or

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congressional information they have or

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or talk to Congress yep Chris Mullin

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said you know the there are eight

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Congress people who can request

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information and get it theoretically I

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believe he is talking about the gangabai

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the Defense Intelligence eight so these

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are essentially the people who run the

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parties and the Senate and the house and

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the intelligence committees so but he

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says they haven't really bothered to ask

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and some people may think that's

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mysterious but it's not so much I mean

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this is politics there's two folds why

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people wouldn't want to ask one they

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trust that you know whatever should be

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getting done is getting done in those

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arenas and they'll be informed should

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they need to have information or even

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you know if there should be decisions

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make made that they think they need to

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make and two is that they don't want to

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know if they ask the questions then

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they're subject to being asked by the

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media what they know or or having to

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address the topic and many of them don't

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want to address the topic they don't

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want to be the UFO person at you know on

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the hill so that may change though with

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more and more information coming out and

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I think we will hear more about

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individuals and you know the other

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problem I think you know I know you

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wanted to get into this a bit and I

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guess it would fit at this point is that

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there are these alleged leaked documents

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that are out in fact one of them out

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there people are purporting as a smoking

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gun I personally don't feel that's the

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case whatsoever the problem with these

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documents is that and this is what where

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it relates is the individual cited in

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those documents who are high-level

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military officials have denied having an

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anything to do with it they say no that

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that's yes it's all made up and I'm sure

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the spirit I'm sorry pardon me but I'm

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sure the conspiracy of that is being

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thrown back as of course he's gonna say

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that right well but the problem is then

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you can't verify whether documents are

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real or not or any of the information in

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it so that's the whole point is you know

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we get these documents when we've gotten

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them over the years but we haven't been

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able to verify any of this information

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and these documents say varying

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different wild stories from something

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simple - you know crashing aliens with

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bodies and all of this sort of thing but

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without verification it really doesn't

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service any good it certainly isn't a

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smoking gun what we need to do is start

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to get people on the record and that's

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what's exciting about this time we are

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getting people are in the record we're

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getting the Navy on the record for

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getting but not about playlist on 3rd

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yep but not about without getting people

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he's not ranked area you know you have

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the instance where for instance

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officials may have information but

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they'll deny it what we need to do is

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compel them and louie's Elizondo and

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Chris Mullin and others have said this

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that what they need to do though is the

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work to get rid of the stigma around

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this bill and then compel these people

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in the know to share their information

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officially on the record that's the

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smoking gun mm-hmm

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yeah so yeah I agree with you you know I

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mean I look through the document in the

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to document or however many documents

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there are their notes and all that and

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you know it could be just someone

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creative the mj-12 letters a lot of that

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I think is you know kind of along the

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same line there's been a lot of very

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creative people with too much time in

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their hands and this could just be

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another case and even if they're real

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without being able to verify that any of

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its real then there's nothing you can do

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with it there's an all you've got to do

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this piece of paper so the job is not I

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think that some of this stuff is always

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interesting to look at and it helps you

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in your give you

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leads for research and things to

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investigate but the papers alone don't

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really give you much unless someone can

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get some verification for something on

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there and so far there's been zero

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verification and like I said both of the

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main players on the document have come

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forward and said those conversations a

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never happened I never looked into those

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things they're BS yeah yeah so what else

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is happening otherwise let's see you

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want to talk why don't we take premier H

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of open mind to that TV go ahead let's

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uh let's talk quickly about your your

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UFO Congress is coming up lissa let you

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give a little plug for that that's

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coming up in September and that why

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don't you talk about some of the guests

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I know James Fox just signed on he's

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gonna be he's gonna be there this yeah

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that is really exciting James Fox has

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not been talking about his project that

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much I think you and I have had some

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interviews when the lease beagle who's

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been helping him with a project and

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otherwise not a lot of people have been

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talking to these guys because they've

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been pretty hush-hush about it

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but I know because of I keep in touch

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with these guys in fact I've helped them

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a little bit with the production that

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not only they've gotten interviews with

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everybody you would want them to get

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interviews with and the people backing

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the document um people are gonna be

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shocked when they finally know who it

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was that put up the money to get to get

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this documentary done so we both know

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that little secret don't we well so it's

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very exciting stuff so James is going to

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be at the conference and he's going to

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be promoting it because he's going to be

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revealing when his documentaries coming

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out he'll be revealing the name of the

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documentary which we still don't know at

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their first idea was 701 representing

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the seven hundred and one unknown cases

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in the Bluebook files but that name

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turned out to be too enigmatic it didn't

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make sense so they dumped that name and

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I don't know that they've even settled

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on a new one yet so James Fox is gonna

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be a lot of fun know they settled on a

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new one

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it's called Ally disclosed it at the

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last time he was on a few weeks ago now

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it's called a phenomenon I do believe

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I'm gonna see if I can catch him on text

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but I'm pretty sure that's what it's

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called down the phenomenon huh

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interesting so there we go

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we'll see but otherwise well of course

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we'll have George Knapp who's in the

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middle of all of us he's been breaking

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the most news regarding all of this

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he's been under attack it it's so crazy

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I mean there are people who are just so

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against to the stars and all of this

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some people speculate what what are they

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paid off because they're just so upset

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about everything they've been bashing

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George Knapp but George Knapp is a great

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journalist he just won another regional

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Emmy like last week I mean this guy had

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so many awards it's ridiculous because

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he's a great journalist otherwise we're

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gonna have Carolyn Cory I think you've

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had her on your show

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Jeff chase let's key who's well-known

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Jeremy will be there to touch to share

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his two films and put him in the Film

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Festival but he's also gonna be sharing

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some new films that no one has seen yet

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so that's exciting and then we're gonna

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have Richard Rowland and his wife Tracy

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Garbett and what's exciting about Tracy

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and people might not know this about his

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wife she actually is a remote viewer and

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is trained in this and I think she's

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even done some classes so she's gonna be

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talking about her remote viewing

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otherwise we're gonna have other

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witnesses we're gonna have Calvin Parker

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who was a witness for the Pascagoula

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Gulla incident but more rare we're gonna

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have Charlotte man you know actually was

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the granddaughter of a priest related to

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a cape girardeau incident so this is a

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really famous actually won a crash case

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alleged crash case where this priest

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says that he was actually called in to

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do last rites where these dead creatures

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before they buried them yeah so the

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woods who are in two crashes at the Ryan

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and and Bob wood who are researchers

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into alleged UFO crashes this is one of

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their favorite cases so you might have

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read about that in their work so she's

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gonna come and talk about that case in

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her work on that so that's exciting

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we'll have Paul hynek's son we've got a

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lot of stuff this is a real fun one to

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to e Snyder

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another one that you know you probably

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haven't seen anywhere else she's got a

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great lecture she's done a lot of

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research into the Texas airship mystery

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of 1897 so essentially there was a UFO

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flap in 1897 and she's done a lot of

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research and she's gonna be showing us

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the news clippings and all about this

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really exciting case I've heard really

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great things about her research that's

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not that's not the one that crashed into

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the windmill and all that that's a

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holder know that Aurora Texas yeah that

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was a most improvement of more or less a

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hoax right then particular well yeah it

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looks like it was I mean I think that

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there's some pretty good evidence that

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it was an April Fool's Day joke

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essentially from there is that right

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yeah but one more I want to add of

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course we're gonna have driven day yeah

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it was a radar operator yeah but we also

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just added Chuck Zukowski oh yeah I want

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to plug his television show he's got a

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television show alien highway I mean

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he's a buddy we go back many many years

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but he's got this show alien highway on

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a Travel Channel Karen and I watched it

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the other day and they covered

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skinwalker it was a great show really

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good show I'm so happy for him it's

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really cool that's great so UFO

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congress.com is where you can go and

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check that out great I don't know if I

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hear your messages chiming through oh

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it's it's Karen's okay no problem

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know how to turn it off all right got

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our buddy Doug of Arizona shave or

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Phoenix shave he's a good buddy of ours

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and he's messaging because he's he's

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super excited about alien con so we'll

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be at alien Con this weekend I know

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Anthony laughtee executive producer of

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unidentified who I talked about earlier

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he'll be there of course giorgio with

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his wild hair will be there because

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alien con is essentially inspired by I'm

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partnered with ancient aliens but yeah

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this is in LA

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so if you're an LA I've got like five or

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six talks and panels I'm gonna be part

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of but we're gonna have a UFO Congress

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booth out there as well so come visit us

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cool all right Alejandro thanks so much

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all right thank you

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all right now talk to you next week

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calculator all right have a good one you

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do all right our guest our guest tonight

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is a

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his name is Jay Matthews I try to

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remember exactly how I found him I think

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I saw a blog or something our comment

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and whatever it was I thought well I'm

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gonna have to have this guy on the show

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if he'll be on the show and anyway he

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became curious about UFOs at a young age

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14 or so when he had an encounter we're

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gonna be talking about that and he runs

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a Facebook page we're gonna be talking

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about that as well and we will take

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questions in chat later on and actually

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phone calls if you'd like to call in Jay

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welcome to the show yep

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you're gonna have to just sneak up a

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little closer to the there you are yes

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I'm a better that is better yes so yeah

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thanks for staying up late I know it's

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late where you're at and thanks for

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being on the show so let's let's talk

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about what got you interested in this

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topic you started out young around 14

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you had actually had an encounter and I

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always love hearing encounters that I've

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never heard before so far away if you

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would okay where was living and Chester

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there's it's a bit of a hot spot for

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sightings and but there was one night

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and literally a month after I'd lost my

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father and I moved into my father's bad

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dream and you know just just for

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closeness and whatnot and we had the big

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bay window at the back of the house and

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the room that I was in and I can only

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describe the light as if when you have a

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thunderstorm lightning strikes and

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illuminates the whole bedroom mm-hmm

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but I was woken up by this bright light

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and literally like you know the police

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helicopter had a spotlight over my house

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so went to the window and didn't have

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any fear and looked up and I just saw

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this absolutely blinding light and open

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the window to get a better view to look

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beyond the eaves and I couldn't see a

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shape

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there was no noise it was just this the

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the brightest white light that I can

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describe and heard a bang behind me so

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being young and kind of jumpy and scared

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ish you know I jumped and literally

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turned back around and whatever it was

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was gone and went downstairs Tom my

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grandmother about that she was up early

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hours in the morning and she can have

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you know dismissed what I'd seen I

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didn't know what I'd seen at that point

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and and you can't under put it to the

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back of your mind and you know you get

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on with you your everyday life but

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several years later I had a friend that

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lived literally about two streets away

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and you know UFOs but then it wasn't

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something he talked about with at school

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with your friends and be my best friend

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he was the only one that really sort of

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confided and about what I'd seen because

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it it was weird and thinking it was a

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year maybe two years later he came to me

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and he said that night that you saw

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about lie I saw this huge triangular

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ship object

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Dover's over your house like this and he

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said it was noiseless and then you know

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that's kind of enough confirmation for

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me but well that yeah cured me interest

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and obviously there was no internet but

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then about what year would you say that

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was I would say that was it had been

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about 1994 I was born in 1980 so it was

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when I was 14 mm-hmm

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so good time away but and literally

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every night after that you know I think

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I borrowed the neighbors binoculars and

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I'd stay up looking out the windows and

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just curious to see you know if whatever

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it was that

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pensee would reappear at some point and

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you know curiosity got me southside now

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when your friend when you talk to your

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friend did he say that he could actually

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see the outline of the craft were there

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lights or how did he know that was

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actually a triangle yeah he said he

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could see a shape and there was a light

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emanating from the bottom

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that was literally over the house well

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so like illuminating your whole house

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yeah yeah literally I asked the

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neighbors thereafter if they saw and a

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third and I even sort of you know sort

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of rationalize the conversation said you

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know was the police helicopter out last

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night what you know where they searched

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him for someone that was lost

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wherever the neighbors saw anything or

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not you know I still don't know to this

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day but to have a friend come back to me

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and and say you know he saw something

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and this again this was way before the

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stuff where the tr-3b was out there oh

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yeah it was way before YouTube then you

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know the Internet so yeah you know

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that's huge

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yeah Internet was in the infancy back

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then and so and what did you what did

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that do for you do that that spark your

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interest right away or did it take a

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while before you start looking into it

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yeah it took a while initially it scared

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me mm-hmm

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did you think you were being you would

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being like chosen or you know I mean

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like searched after I mean why was it

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over your house type of thing and not

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someone else's is that is that one of

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the some of the things going through

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your mind yeah there was a lot of

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failure and at the time x-files was big

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on television oh yeah you know dad I

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just saw hit the UK and you know yeah

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you start watching that you know you

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mind over Thanks and you can't about 71

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come up with 10 right right we are

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actually right at the first break right

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now

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so we're gonna head head right into a

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break so hang in there all right

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everyone this is Martin Willis my guest

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from the UK is Jay Matthews and we will

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okay my brother we've got one two three

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four minutes in this break four minutes

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got it all right I started the timer all

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right so Jay we're still live on YouTube

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and I'm going to just jump over quickly

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see if there's any questions but can you

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right now before I look to see if

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there's any questions can you tell us

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where exactly in the UK do you live I

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the mo movements I live in North Wales

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literally Chester a Buckley where I live

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is right on the border so I literally

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live just over there

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the English border and enemy territory

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that's the one should say now I've

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talked to other people from the UK and

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they said there's not a lot of sightings

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in general there because of the weather

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you know I mean is is that so or do you

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do get a lot of reports yeah yeah we do

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literally just they're speaking to the

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guys from swansea swansea UFO network

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they were up here the weekend and to my

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00:24:19,260 --> 00:24:16,930
surprise they've actually interviewed a

543
00:24:22,940 --> 00:24:19,270
couple of key witnesses they've seen

544
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:22,950
things I believe so one is ex-military

545
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:29,650
there is local smoke so you know you I

546
00:24:37,050 --> 00:24:32,530
like to think that I'm Naomi crackpot

547
00:24:39,450 --> 00:24:37,060
around here but you know it's reassuring

548
00:24:44,220 --> 00:24:39,460
when you hear all the people telling

549
00:24:45,870 --> 00:24:44,230
their story and but well one of the

550
00:24:47,910 --> 00:24:45,880
things I pardon me and one of the things

551
00:24:51,180 --> 00:24:47,920
I wanted to do is talk to you about UFO

552
00:24:53,460 --> 00:24:51,190
cases and just wanted to you know in the

553
00:24:54,750 --> 00:24:53,470
UK basically because there's you know

554
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:54,760
there's some good ones

555
00:24:59,760 --> 00:24:57,760
what about wormus nur how far away are

556
00:25:03,840 --> 00:24:59,770
you from there

557
00:25:06,810 --> 00:25:03,850
and it's probably it's probably about

558
00:25:09,030 --> 00:25:06,820
300 miles away from where I live now do

559
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:09,040
do you hear a lot of I mean do you

560
00:25:15,540 --> 00:25:13,360
follow a lot of the UK cases over the

561
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:15,550
years like the warminster what do they

562
00:25:20,730 --> 00:25:17,679
call it yeah that had a nickname the

563
00:25:23,910 --> 00:25:20,740
warminster something thing it was called

564
00:25:26,220 --> 00:25:23,920
the thing yeah that's correct yeah yeah

565
00:25:29,580 --> 00:25:26,230
there's a good friend of mine Steve

566
00:25:33,450 --> 00:25:29,590
Wells it really good research you from

567
00:25:35,730 --> 00:25:33,460
down that way I follow his work they've

568
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:35,740
actually you know it seems to be quite a

569
00:25:40,590 --> 00:25:38,890
hot spot for site ins yeah and there's

570
00:25:44,130 --> 00:25:40,600
been some really good documented cases

571
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:44,140
down there and but saying that you know

572
00:25:49,890 --> 00:25:46,809
where I am in Wales there's a lot of

573
00:25:52,410 --> 00:25:49,900
ancient site yeah there's a lot of ley

574
00:25:56,700 --> 00:25:52,420
lines around which is something I've

575
00:25:58,890 --> 00:25:56,710
done a bit of research in see and you

576
00:26:02,130 --> 00:25:58,900
know literally every clear night I'm out

577
00:26:05,549 --> 00:26:02,140
the back we are a low light pollution

578
00:26:08,910 --> 00:26:05,559
and I actually overlook a mountain and I

579
00:26:12,180 --> 00:26:08,920
say Mountain it's a hill shy eighty feet

580
00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:12,190
of being a mountain comb-over my which

581
00:26:19,740 --> 00:26:17,110
is actually then it's been the location

582
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:19,750
for a lot of sides in recently orally

583
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:23,890
since I've moved into this area you know

584
00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:26,290
we Dobbs there's there's been weird

585
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:29,110
lights there's a chap called Graham

586
00:26:35,130 --> 00:26:32,080
Evans who lives in Denby which is

587
00:26:37,140 --> 00:26:35,140
literally 8 10 miles away he's got some

588
00:26:42,180 --> 00:26:37,150
incredible footage over the mountain

589
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:42,190
ranges over there so I'd say the area as

590
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:46,690
a whole is is very active at the moment

591
00:26:53,010 --> 00:26:50,290
and I'm I'm probably has been since

592
00:26:54,930 --> 00:26:53,020
before I started doing this ok we're

593
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:54,940
gonna be going back up we're gonna be

594
00:27:02,070 --> 00:26:56,890
going back here just about 20 seconds

595
00:27:05,370 --> 00:27:02,080
right racing on there race you there

596
00:27:07,020 --> 00:27:05,380
so it's supposed to be going back on in

597
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:07,030
10 seconds race you there

598
00:27:13,060 --> 00:27:11,290
I see you're about the same amount of

599
00:27:15,370 --> 00:27:13,070
this my brother you ready to

600
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:15,380
we are ready to come back yet alright

601
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:16,970
we're ready to put you back on the air

602
00:27:27,850 --> 00:27:25,210
here we go in five four three two

603
00:27:30,460 --> 00:27:27,860
alright welcome back this is Martin

604
00:27:33,610 --> 00:27:30,470
Willis my guest is J Matthews from over

605
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:33,620
and North Wales and welcome back to the

606
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:37,250
show so we were talking during the break

607
00:27:39,970 --> 00:27:39,050
we're talking geographically where you

608
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:39,980
located

609
00:27:44,020 --> 00:27:42,050
I know just before the break we weren't

610
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:44,030
talking about that at all and I usually

611
00:27:47,290 --> 00:27:45,530
write it down where we're talking about

612
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:47,300
I think we were talking about the

613
00:27:54,220 --> 00:27:50,210
triangle you know over your your house

614
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:54,230
and yeah and and all that but location

615
00:27:58,390 --> 00:27:56,000
wise that's where we were talking about

616
00:28:00,280 --> 00:27:58,400
during the break so it looks to me on

617
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:00,290
the map that you're you're in North

618
00:28:09,670 --> 00:28:04,240
Wales anywhere near the snow tinea of

619
00:28:13,150 --> 00:28:09,680
National Park yeah literally and it's a

620
00:28:16,690 --> 00:28:13,160
is the crow flies about 50 50 miles away

621
00:28:18,370 --> 00:28:16,700
yeah yeah my family's from my family's

622
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:18,380
from Wales I've never been there but I

623
00:28:24,420 --> 00:28:20,450
planned it it's on my bucket list so to

624
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:24,430
speak I got to get out there but anyway

625
00:28:29,890 --> 00:28:28,130
so it looks like you're in that case it

626
00:28:31,780 --> 00:28:29,900
looks like you're about 300 miles or so

627
00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:31,790
also from the Rendlesham Rendlesham

628
00:28:38,590 --> 00:28:34,130
forest area is that a case that you have

629
00:28:42,190 --> 00:28:38,600
ever inspired a listen to yeah okay in

630
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:42,200
fact is probably one the first yeah I'd

631
00:28:47,580 --> 00:28:44,210
say along with the beaudoin UFO

632
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:47,590
incidents it was probably one the first

633
00:28:53,740 --> 00:28:51,610
documented cases that I looked into and

634
00:28:57,460 --> 00:28:53,750
obviously it's this there's so much

635
00:28:59,620 --> 00:28:57,470
evidence around in that case and it's

636
00:29:01,930 --> 00:28:59,630
actually still ongoing now with I

637
00:29:05,980 --> 00:29:01,940
believe there's a new documentary coming

638
00:29:09,970 --> 00:29:05,990
out soon which is going to shed some

639
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:09,980
light on the situation but you know you

640
00:29:14,980 --> 00:29:12,320
are obviously Rendlesham I think

641
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:14,990
happened in 1980 which was the Arabs

642
00:29:22,060 --> 00:29:19,010
born the Pope the Baron UFO crash

643
00:29:23,890 --> 00:29:22,070
happened in 74 which is literally a

644
00:29:26,850 --> 00:29:23,900
stone's throw away from where I live now

645
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:30,010
you know when you when you start out you

646
00:29:35,500 --> 00:29:32,330
know obviously reading box back then

647
00:29:39,850 --> 00:29:35,510
there you have the main cases yeah do

648
00:29:44,110 --> 00:29:39,860
bras swells you know some of them more

649
00:29:44,590 --> 00:29:44,120
mainstream UFO sightings or incidents if

650
00:29:48,340 --> 00:29:44,600
you will

651
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:48,350
oh sure and you know it you start

652
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:51,760
reading about these other cases which

653
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:54,290
you know you've been publicized but

654
00:30:00,340 --> 00:29:56,450
maybe not talked about in the same sort

655
00:30:05,410 --> 00:30:00,350
of way is you know your Roswell Mach not

656
00:30:08,140 --> 00:30:05,420
well turn it you just go deeper and

657
00:30:12,190 --> 00:30:08,150
deeper down the rabbit hole the

658
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:12,200
Rendlesham thing I I don't think it was

659
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,200
the lighthouse I know that's been

660
00:30:20,860 --> 00:30:17,600
reported and they you know it's out

661
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:20,870
there and I've also got friends that

662
00:30:26,890 --> 00:30:24,290
have been to the forest there and again

663
00:30:28,510 --> 00:30:26,900
looking into the ley lines thing there's

664
00:30:31,810 --> 00:30:28,520
ley lines I actually run straight

665
00:30:33,580 --> 00:30:31,820
through Rendell ship and the still act

666
00:30:36,610 --> 00:30:33,590
there's still activity going on to this

667
00:30:38,140 --> 00:30:36,620
day oh yeah yeah a lot of people are

668
00:30:41,860 --> 00:30:38,150
talking about that there's so there's a

669
00:30:44,770 --> 00:30:41,870
lot of a lot of weird things going on

670
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:44,780
there not just UFOs you know people are

671
00:30:51,070 --> 00:30:47,930
talking about entities and entities and

672
00:30:53,290 --> 00:30:51,080
everything else someone just banter just

673
00:30:56,140 --> 00:30:53,300
posted on in the chatroom that if you

674
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:56,150
look at the unidentified latest episodes

675
00:31:02,080 --> 00:30:59,120
they have a they have this the last

676
00:31:03,940 --> 00:31:02,090
episode that is they have a chart where

677
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:03,950
they pinned hotspots and one of them is

678
00:31:11,170 --> 00:31:08,720
in North Wales I consider that up my hot

679
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:11,180
spot up there where you're out that's

680
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:12,640
reassuring

681
00:31:19,420 --> 00:31:17,600
yeah so we can talk a little bit of have

682
00:31:20,860 --> 00:31:19,430
you watched any of those shows no

683
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:20,870
they're not they're not over there are

684
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:24,770
they in in the UK the the not is yet I'm

685
00:31:30,190 --> 00:31:27,290
history UK but I've yet I happen to have

686
00:31:35,020 --> 00:31:30,200
seen the first three episodes which have

687
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,030
been put up on various websites but yeah

688
00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:38,080
it's it's interesting stuff and I was

689
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:40,310
really excited with the

690
00:31:46,690 --> 00:31:43,970
old T TSA announcement yep I know

691
00:31:50,140 --> 00:31:46,700
currently there's some documents to

692
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:50,150
suggest that Elizondo wasn't in charge

693
00:31:55,210 --> 00:31:53,570
of a tip and but that doesn't for me

694
00:31:57,850 --> 00:31:55,220
doesn't take away the fact that those

695
00:32:00,970 --> 00:31:57,860
three videos were confirmed to be DoD

696
00:32:03,790 --> 00:32:00,980
yeah and we don't know for sure you know

697
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:03,800
as far as the the documents go yeah I

698
00:32:09,700 --> 00:32:06,080
know what you're talking about and as

699
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:09,710
far as you know the research that John

700
00:32:14,170 --> 00:32:12,080
Greenwald has been doing and the

701
00:32:17,050 --> 00:32:14,180
communication he's been getting you know

702
00:32:19,060 --> 00:32:17,060
right from the pentagon spokesperson we

703
00:32:21,670 --> 00:32:19,070
don't we don't know a hundred percent

704
00:32:25,210 --> 00:32:21,680
sure there's no way of telling if this

705
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:25,220
person either does or does not know for

706
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:30,410
sure or you know may find out later it's

707
00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:34,880
possible so I I I wouldn't give 100% for

708
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:38,510
sure either way you know and you know I

709
00:32:46,150 --> 00:32:42,170
had Lou Elizondo on this show just you

710
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:46,160
know on a YouTube stream as well and

711
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:47,690
that went out that went out to the

712
00:32:53,230 --> 00:32:51,170
podcast of my supporters podcast okay

713
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:53,240
but I did I didn't want to say you know

714
00:33:02,170 --> 00:32:58,250
I met Lou in person and I talked to him

715
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:02,180
he's very very cool guy you just got to

716
00:33:05,710 --> 00:33:03,650
say when you meet him you say this guy

717
00:33:08,740 --> 00:33:05,720
is just a plain cool guy he's very

718
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:08,750
interesting and you know I'm in the fine

719
00:33:13,180 --> 00:33:10,250
arts and antiques and I started talking

720
00:33:16,270 --> 00:33:13,190
to him about he asked me you know what I

721
00:33:18,670 --> 00:33:16,280
did for my real real job everything and

722
00:33:21,010 --> 00:33:18,680
so it was like I opened up a door

723
00:33:22,780 --> 00:33:21,020
because he and I were talking about he

724
00:33:25,510 --> 00:33:22,790
was asking me about things that he's

725
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:25,520
collects and he was telling me all these

726
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:27,410
great things that he he collects he's

727
00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:30,410
quite a collector and so I started

728
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:32,510
thinking about this whole thing and you

729
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:34,730
know I'm trying not to be conspiratorial

730
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:36,410
in any type of way I always try to look

731
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:38,720
at things a little bit level-headed but

732
00:33:41,710 --> 00:33:40,490
I was thinking the other day I was

733
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:41,720
driving somewhere and I was just

734
00:33:47,950 --> 00:33:45,290
thinking you know if there was someone

735
00:33:49,450 --> 00:33:47,960
that the government would want to muddy

736
00:33:52,150 --> 00:33:49,460
the water with the you know put some

737
00:33:53,690 --> 00:33:52,160
disks information out there it would be

738
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:53,700
a guy just like him

739
00:33:58,279 --> 00:33:56,130
hence gets along with everyone everyone

740
00:34:00,560 --> 00:33:58,289
wants to talk to him he's really great

741
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:00,570
now I'm not saying that is the situation

742
00:34:06,889 --> 00:34:03,360
at all I'm just saying that he would be

743
00:34:09,230 --> 00:34:06,899
the type of person as he is so

744
00:34:11,569 --> 00:34:09,240
believable and gets along so well with

745
00:34:14,690 --> 00:34:11,579
just about anyone he talks with he would

746
00:34:16,849 --> 00:34:14,700
be exactly the type of person that would

747
00:34:18,649 --> 00:34:16,859
be out there giving misinformation I'm

748
00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:18,659
not saying that's what's happening at

749
00:34:24,859 --> 00:34:22,200
all I think only time will tell I like I

750
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:24,869
like John Greenwald a lot he's a great

751
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:27,810
guy I think he's trying to figure out

752
00:34:33,530 --> 00:34:30,210
what's going on but I also think that

753
00:34:35,810 --> 00:34:33,540
it's very possible that Alessandro is a

754
00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:35,820
hundred percent legit he really I'm

755
00:34:39,740 --> 00:34:37,260
telling you it makes you feel that way

756
00:34:41,540 --> 00:34:39,750
when you talk to them and and yeah and

757
00:34:45,319 --> 00:34:41,550
there's a lot of things that point in

758
00:34:47,780 --> 00:34:45,329
that direction so do I dare say that I'm

759
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:47,790
on the fence about it I guess that's as

760
00:34:52,819 --> 00:34:50,879
close as I can get to you know

761
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:52,829
everything I just said it's just my

762
00:34:58,819 --> 00:34:54,570
thoughts on the whole topic I really

763
00:35:00,800 --> 00:34:58,829
don't know and I think time will tell

764
00:35:04,130 --> 00:35:00,810
you know in the UFO community has been

765
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:04,140
fooled before you know there's Bill

766
00:35:08,030 --> 00:35:06,089
Moore this Richard Doty there's a lot of

767
00:35:09,020 --> 00:35:08,040
different examples and by the way

768
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:09,030
Richard Doty

769
00:35:14,750 --> 00:35:11,730
is coming up in August's on this show at

770
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:14,760
some point some damn I'm not sure if

771
00:35:17,630 --> 00:35:16,050
you've ever heard of the Benowitz case

772
00:35:21,770 --> 00:35:17,640
and all that and who Richard Doty is

773
00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:21,780
yeah yep yeah yeah so anyway I'm sorry

774
00:35:27,020 --> 00:35:24,510
went on quite a ramble there but what is

775
00:35:30,530 --> 00:35:27,030
your general thought are you just as

776
00:35:32,750 --> 00:35:30,540
well kind of looking at everything

777
00:35:34,910 --> 00:35:32,760
people the posting this so it's a very

778
00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:34,920
active situation where people have an

779
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:36,510
opinion on this subject that's for sure

780
00:35:43,940 --> 00:35:42,089
TTS a yeah yeah I saw a good suite that

781
00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:43,950
the long about the other day about an

782
00:35:49,849 --> 00:35:46,680
episode of unidentified where he

783
00:35:53,180 --> 00:35:49,859
supposedly got Intel from Italy about

784
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,190
two UFOs up in the helicopter yeah I saw

785
00:35:59,569 --> 00:35:55,680
that too yeah yeah that that was

786
00:36:01,940 --> 00:35:59,579
interesting now you know the conspiracy

787
00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:01,950
minded people will say you know it's the

788
00:36:07,010 --> 00:36:05,339
evil aliens agenda and you know they're

789
00:36:09,380 --> 00:36:07,020
lobbying for

790
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:09,390
funding maybe from all weapons what

791
00:36:15,050 --> 00:36:11,040
we've trumped space for us you know

792
00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:15,060
being talked about what I I think we've

793
00:36:22,610 --> 00:36:18,420
all got to see how it plays out my

794
00:36:26,030 --> 00:36:22,620
feeling on that Elizondo who is if he is

795
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:26,040
lying and say John Greenwald is right

796
00:36:33,170 --> 00:36:30,000
and then surely Chris Mellon will be

797
00:36:37,010 --> 00:36:33,180
lying all these guys like how Potter

798
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:37,020
Steve justice that are all involved and

799
00:36:42,050 --> 00:36:39,210
you wouldn't get into bed with someone

800
00:36:45,260 --> 00:36:42,060
who's necessarily trying to pull the

801
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:45,270
wool over your eyes now I think that's a

802
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:48,480
very good point yes yeah and also grant

803
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:52,530
Cameron is a fantastic research and our

804
00:36:59,810 --> 00:36:56,370
following and when he's obviously he's

805
00:37:01,820 --> 00:36:59,820
very into the presidential UFO stuff but

806
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:01,830
he talks about this plausible

807
00:37:08,930 --> 00:37:05,730
deniability where you put a story out

808
00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:08,940
and you put some facts in it you put

809
00:37:14,750 --> 00:37:12,540
some lies in it and most of the time if

810
00:37:17,060 --> 00:37:14,760
they were if this thing goes too far

811
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:17,070
it's like a baby on range you have those

812
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:20,930
reins to rein that child back in and

813
00:37:26,570 --> 00:37:23,970
from my own understanding and what I've

814
00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:26,580
seen I think there are people in the US

815
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:29,310
government that what miss out and I also

816
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:31,920
think though people that I don't know

817
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:34,050
for what reason still want to cover this

818
00:37:41,870 --> 00:37:38,910
up and so perhaps that's a reason for

819
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:41,880
you know all this stuff with Elizondo

820
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:44,490
because I saw a clip I think it was on

821
00:37:54,020 --> 00:37:50,130
CNN in America where he I think the guy

822
00:37:58,370 --> 00:37:54,030
on the news us them about recovered

823
00:38:02,540 --> 00:37:58,380
space for us right and he sings say yes

824
00:38:04,940 --> 00:38:02,550
but he was bound by his secrecy

825
00:38:07,790 --> 00:38:04,950
agreement and he couldn't go any further

826
00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:07,800
and discussing that well he basically

827
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:12,300
said yes without saying yes that's what

828
00:38:19,220 --> 00:38:14,730
I saw which which I thought was a huge

829
00:38:20,510 --> 00:38:19,230
statement yes yeah and that is that is

830
00:38:22,490 --> 00:38:20,520
shocking up all

831
00:38:25,490 --> 00:38:22,500
under who was just on with a news at a

832
00:38:27,380 --> 00:38:25,500
time thought that was the most shocking

833
00:38:28,370 --> 00:38:27,390
part of the interview that he did with

834
00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:28,380
him

835
00:38:37,340 --> 00:38:34,110
know like you know not really a denial

836
00:38:40,190 --> 00:38:37,350
and you know you can gather what you

837
00:38:43,730 --> 00:38:40,200
want from it but it's almost a way of

838
00:38:48,890 --> 00:38:43,740
saying yes without saying yes yeah yeah

839
00:38:52,460 --> 00:38:48,900
you know but you know it's it's

840
00:38:55,970 --> 00:38:52,470
interesting you know yeah like like many

841
00:39:00,020 --> 00:38:55,980
back in December of 2017 when their

842
00:39:04,940 --> 00:39:00,030
story broke yeah and we had the New York

843
00:39:09,470 --> 00:39:04,950
Times post you know obviously for guys

844
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:09,480
like myself that research this the

845
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:12,480
ridicule you face the way the UFO

846
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:14,610
objects is perceived by a lot of these

847
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:17,280
media agencies literally changed

848
00:39:21,740 --> 00:39:18,060
overnight

849
00:39:25,630 --> 00:39:21,750
there really has yeah you know it was

850
00:39:30,020 --> 00:39:25,640
crazy from a UK point of view CEO BBC

851
00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:30,030
ITV and Sky News all report nests in a

852
00:39:34,940 --> 00:39:32,910
serious way and I'm not kind of with

853
00:39:38,090 --> 00:39:34,950
smirk on the face as the read in this

854
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:38,100
house or the yeah or the music you know

855
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:40,050
the scary music in the background oh

856
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:44,730
yeah or the x-files music yeah you know

857
00:39:50,930 --> 00:39:48,810
I received a email recently from the

858
00:39:53,780 --> 00:39:50,940
summer from the UK and they were saying

859
00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:53,790
that the youth you Kate I mean the UFO

860
00:39:57,980 --> 00:39:55,710
topic in the UK I don't know exactly

861
00:39:59,480 --> 00:39:57,990
where I'm gonna try to pull it up

862
00:40:01,490 --> 00:39:59,490
you know perhaps when we go to our next

863
00:40:04,810 --> 00:40:01,500
break but they were just basically

864
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:04,820
saying that the the UFO topic in

865
00:40:09,050 --> 00:40:07,440
wherever they are in the UK right now is

866
00:40:11,060 --> 00:40:09,060
poison they can't talk about if there's

867
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:11,070
death threats and everything else it was

868
00:40:15,890 --> 00:40:12,930
a crazy email but it was actually from a

869
00:40:18,620 --> 00:40:15,900
known person in the UFO field so I was

870
00:40:23,930 --> 00:40:18,630
kind of shocked to actually see that do

871
00:40:25,210 --> 00:40:23,940
you see any of any of that or again you

872
00:40:27,770 --> 00:40:25,220
know you're talking about the more

873
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:27,780
credible reports on the news and stuff

874
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:30,210
like that are you seeing a shift in and

875
00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:32,730
where you're at as well

876
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:37,140
yeah I've seen a lot of this on social

877
00:40:42,110 --> 00:40:38,210
media

878
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:42,120
literally than the last the last two

879
00:40:50,210 --> 00:40:47,450
years away some of my friends that III

880
00:40:53,090 --> 00:40:50,220
surmise a very good researchers have

881
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:53,100
been attacked and almost in a witch

882
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:57,930
hunts kind of way is it's crazy and

883
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:00,240
these people of my seniors these are

884
00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:01,890
people I've been doing this far longer

885
00:41:09,620 --> 00:41:05,910
than what I have and I don't know if

886
00:41:12,140 --> 00:41:09,630
it's a destruction or it's a distract

887
00:41:15,580 --> 00:41:12,150
from all the stuff that is actually

888
00:41:18,110 --> 00:41:15,590
going on that it's credible the UK or

889
00:41:24,050 --> 00:41:18,120
you know does it there's a few bad

890
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:24,060
apples and you know it's it's crazy but

891
00:41:33,020 --> 00:41:27,570
yeah I see that a lot and it's draining

892
00:41:35,090 --> 00:41:33,030
and especially when you're as you just

893
00:41:37,930 --> 00:41:35,100
said you know yeah I try and sit on the

894
00:41:41,660 --> 00:41:37,940
fence I don't try and pick a side and

895
00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:41,670
you look at the fact you look what is

896
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:44,310
put out there and you've got a group of

897
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:47,370
friends there for this and then you've

898
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:49,110
got a group of friends that are against

899
00:41:54,380 --> 00:41:51,450
this you're kind of caught in the middle

900
00:41:58,370 --> 00:41:54,390
and it's it's almost I've had the

901
00:42:01,850 --> 00:41:58,380
situation where I've been forced to pick

902
00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:01,860
a side and because I refused to pick a

903
00:42:10,850 --> 00:42:06,300
side I'm then deemed as bad as the

904
00:42:13,370 --> 00:42:10,860
person you know ya know it's a I see the

905
00:42:15,740 --> 00:42:13,380
divide you know I see as you mentioned I

906
00:42:17,780 --> 00:42:15,750
see the divide on the social media the

907
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:17,790
rants and stuff like that and I just

908
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:20,610
decided not to really get into it I just

909
00:42:25,130 --> 00:42:22,170
glanced now and then but I'm not going

910
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:25,140
to get into any of the debates any of

911
00:42:30,380 --> 00:42:27,450
that that part of it but it's definitely

912
00:42:33,350 --> 00:42:30,390
a divide it seems like you know we're

913
00:42:36,170 --> 00:42:33,360
divided in politics here in the US and

914
00:42:41,150 --> 00:42:36,180
and there's a divide now in the UFO

915
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:41,160
field and and as far as the tts a you

916
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:44,370
know there's there's also a lot of

917
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:46,050
opinions out there

918
00:42:51,530 --> 00:42:48,810
about that that are you know kind of

919
00:42:54,020 --> 00:42:51,540
conspiratorial you know like it's a

920
00:42:56,420 --> 00:42:54,030
whole government thing I've heard that

921
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,430
before I've heard a lot of people talk

922
00:43:00,590 --> 00:42:58,560
about that now and I don't know I can't

923
00:43:03,530 --> 00:43:00,600
say it definitely is but you make a

924
00:43:06,140 --> 00:43:03,540
really good point about what would Chris

925
00:43:08,510 --> 00:43:06,150
Mellon would he'll put off and all these

926
00:43:10,490 --> 00:43:08,520
other Steve justice and all this get

927
00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:10,500
into bed with you know something that

928
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:14,310
was deviant and I don't think so yeah

929
00:43:18,740 --> 00:43:15,660
especially you know you especially

930
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:18,750
giving Chris melons credentials yeah you

931
00:43:24,530 --> 00:43:21,690
know every day is families deep-rooted

932
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:24,540
in America and obviously in the oil

933
00:43:29,180 --> 00:43:26,880
business and and on what else and

934
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:29,190
obviously his possession yeah in

935
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:32,640
government's so it when you start adding

936
00:43:40,820 --> 00:43:35,610
these things together it it doesn't make

937
00:43:45,140 --> 00:43:40,830
a great deal of a sense and I think from

938
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:45,150
for my personal opinion III don't think

939
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:48,090
they're playing to the rules perhaps

940
00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:49,890
they go with you know running against

941
00:43:56,890 --> 00:43:54,660
stream at the moment t TSA and a metonym

942
00:43:59,810 --> 00:43:56,900
perhaps some things that they shouldn't

943
00:44:02,350 --> 00:43:59,820
you know we all know about these these

944
00:44:05,690 --> 00:44:02,360
alloys and you know covered

945
00:44:09,170 --> 00:44:05,700
metamaterials which is allegedly gone to

946
00:44:11,060 --> 00:44:09,180
Bigelow Aerospace you know I find not

947
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:11,070
deeply interested especially with the

948
00:44:16,310 --> 00:44:13,200
release obviously the skinwalker film

949
00:44:18,860 --> 00:44:16,320
which came out the end of towards the

950
00:44:21,170 --> 00:44:18,870
end the last year well you know

951
00:44:23,930 --> 00:44:21,180
skinwalker supposedly is you know the

952
00:44:26,450 --> 00:44:23,940
whole Genesis for any of this happening

953
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:26,460
you know which is really so right from

954
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:28,050
the very beginning you know you you

955
00:44:34,220 --> 00:44:31,170
talked about Tom DeLonge stweet just a

956
00:44:37,010 --> 00:44:34,230
minute ago about the helicopter shooting

957
00:44:38,660 --> 00:44:37,020
down and UFO or the other way around the

958
00:44:40,970 --> 00:44:38,670
UFO shooting down a helicopter I can't

959
00:44:42,740 --> 00:44:40,980
remember what it is yeah but anyway I

960
00:44:48,170 --> 00:44:42,750
think what's really interesting about

961
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,180
the tweet is he took it down after and I

962
00:44:53,090 --> 00:44:50,640
don't know why he took it down but I

963
00:44:54,770 --> 00:44:53,100
would guess if I had to guess I would

964
00:44:56,060 --> 00:44:54,780
say that's probably the History Channel

965
00:44:59,150 --> 00:44:56,070
told them to take it down because

966
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,160
they're really being very guarded on

967
00:45:03,350 --> 00:45:01,440
every episode before it's released so I

968
00:45:06,020 --> 00:45:03,360
imagine that's probably what happened

969
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:06,030
but just the fact that he put it up and

970
00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:07,770
then he took it down I think that's

971
00:45:13,730 --> 00:45:10,920
interesting yeah yeah obviously now he

972
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:13,740
got screen captures and screenshots oh

973
00:45:19,730 --> 00:45:15,810
yeah that's right I have it somewhere

974
00:45:21,530 --> 00:45:19,740
it's out yeah yeah yeah you know you

975
00:45:25,220 --> 00:45:21,540
talked about Chris Mela now he was on

976
00:45:27,740 --> 00:45:25,230
the show he was interviewed by Leslie

977
00:45:29,660 --> 00:45:27,750
Kane I immediately called Leslie and

978
00:45:31,790 --> 00:45:29,670
said hey any way I can get Chris on the

979
00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:31,800
show he agreed and I actually had him on

980
00:45:35,660 --> 00:45:33,510
the show is a very rare interview he's

981
00:45:38,690 --> 00:45:35,670
you can check them out on my youtube

982
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:38,700
channel so I had a really nice and

983
00:45:45,980 --> 00:45:42,110
interesting interview with him and and

984
00:45:48,050 --> 00:45:45,990
he and then I I told him he asked me if

985
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:48,060
I thought there was any other show and I

986
00:45:51,650 --> 00:45:49,410
said you know you want to get on coast

987
00:45:53,330 --> 00:45:51,660
to coast I know George Knapp and so I

988
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:53,340
connected them to he went on coast to

989
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:54,960
coast so those those were the only two

990
00:45:59,360 --> 00:45:57,810
interviews he had done for a long time

991
00:46:01,610 --> 00:45:59,370
and now he's on you know mainstream

992
00:46:03,230 --> 00:46:01,620
interviews at this point yeah but what I

993
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:03,240
find really interesting I have never

994
00:46:08,540 --> 00:46:05,730
said this on this show at all but I find

995
00:46:12,590 --> 00:46:08,550
it very interesting that Chris had been

996
00:46:16,970 --> 00:46:12,600
in touch we were emailing and talking a

997
00:46:19,460 --> 00:46:16,980
bit after the interview and then as soon

998
00:46:21,770 --> 00:46:19,470
as he joined to the stars

999
00:46:23,330 --> 00:46:21,780
he never communicated with me again I

1000
00:46:26,210 --> 00:46:23,340
he's never returned an email I think

1001
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:26,220
it's strange I have no idea exactly what

1002
00:46:34,490 --> 00:46:29,930
you know and it's perhaps the publicist

1003
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:34,500
for TTS a for to the stars yeah having a

1004
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:35,970
science I'd just don't know if that's

1005
00:46:40,850 --> 00:46:38,970
the deal and I know that it's I can't

1006
00:46:42,620 --> 00:46:40,860
remember her name begins with a K it's

1007
00:46:46,820 --> 00:46:42,630
actually Tom DeLonge sisters running the

1008
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:46,830
publicity okay so it's not caring it's

1009
00:46:53,210 --> 00:46:49,200
something like that but care ahora

1010
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:53,220
go ahead didn't the same thing happen on

1011
00:46:59,780 --> 00:46:55,650
fade to black with Jimmy Church and I

1012
00:47:02,180 --> 00:46:59,790
remember I forget who he's interview but

1013
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:02,190
he seemed to say on it on this interview

1014
00:47:07,070 --> 00:47:05,490
that he'd reached out to TT si I'm Tom

1015
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:07,080
DeLonge and I was on there when they

1016
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:09,810
said that it wasn't the right time for

1017
00:47:13,010 --> 00:47:11,610
them to come back on the show

1018
00:47:18,170 --> 00:47:13,020
yep

1019
00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:18,180
yes so this is but yeah go ahead I was

1020
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:20,910
gonna say you know yeah obviously there

1021
00:47:26,570 --> 00:47:24,000
was the the bad interview on the the Joe

1022
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:26,580
Rogan podcast oh yes there was a mistake

1023
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:30,690
yeah yeah that was a huge mistake I you

1024
00:47:38,350 --> 00:47:33,090
know I I actually know Joe Rogan and

1025
00:47:40,580 --> 00:47:38,360
well yeah yeah he's not my guy but I

1026
00:47:43,550 --> 00:47:40,590
personally I think he'd already sort of

1027
00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:43,560
made his mind up to pick holes in what

1028
00:47:48,590 --> 00:47:46,560
tom was saying beforehand but then Tom

1029
00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:48,600
didn't do himself any favors with some

1030
00:47:56,090 --> 00:47:51,920
of the footage he was showing them yeah

1031
00:48:00,320 --> 00:47:56,100
it just wasn't that it didn't do tts a a

1032
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:00,330
lot of favors yes yeah I agree and and

1033
00:48:06,890 --> 00:48:02,970
another thing that this is something

1034
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:06,900
also I've never said before either but

1035
00:48:14,990 --> 00:48:10,890
just reflecting on the TTS a since

1036
00:48:18,980 --> 00:48:15,000
they've been active is going back to the

1037
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:18,990
publicist I don't think there's been a

1038
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:21,570
think a lot of the conspiracies are born

1039
00:48:29,090 --> 00:48:26,970
from being kind of elusive or not

1040
00:48:31,970 --> 00:48:29,100
available and and and all that people

1041
00:48:33,530 --> 00:48:31,980
are just questioning that and when the

1042
00:48:36,859 --> 00:48:33,540
government does something like that you

1043
00:48:40,849 --> 00:48:36,869
know then we say there's aliens you know

1044
00:48:43,340 --> 00:48:40,859
so a conspiracy always happens but not

1045
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:43,350
saying that she's not doing a good job

1046
00:48:48,109 --> 00:48:45,570
but you know perhaps instead of Tom

1047
00:48:49,970 --> 00:48:48,119
DeLonge sister being a publicist maybe

1048
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:49,980
it would have been or still could be a

1049
00:48:56,660 --> 00:48:53,730
better idea to get a publicists in there

1050
00:48:59,960 --> 00:48:56,670
that has dealt with the sensitive issues

1051
00:49:01,340 --> 00:48:59,970
and and and has experience in this you

1052
00:49:03,590 --> 00:49:01,350
know just plain experience but

1053
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:03,600
experienced in this type of situation

1054
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:05,970
and and perhaps they could have a little

1055
00:49:10,099 --> 00:49:08,130
bit better of a public image maybe they

1056
00:49:14,990 --> 00:49:10,109
don't want one I don't know what what

1057
00:49:18,890 --> 00:49:15,000
their situation is yeah I find strange

1058
00:49:21,140 --> 00:49:18,900
about the whole TSA thing and again it

1059
00:49:24,380 --> 00:49:21,150
was less than two fates of micro Jimmy

1060
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:24,390
Church we're tumble on mentioned that he

1061
00:49:29,809 --> 00:49:26,130
was authoring

1062
00:49:32,509 --> 00:49:29,819
the Ultima oak tree of bob lazar now

1063
00:49:35,299 --> 00:49:32,519
obviously we're if Jeremy corbels failed

1064
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:35,309
coming out you know Bob Lazar and flying

1065
00:49:41,299 --> 00:49:40,559
saucers and area 51 I perhaps it's still

1066
00:49:44,809 --> 00:49:41,309
yet to come

1067
00:49:47,749 --> 00:49:44,819
but it's almost like with the 2004

1068
00:49:50,779 --> 00:49:47,759
limits fell that's when they're

1069
00:49:51,710 --> 00:49:50,789
acknowledged in UFOs kind of exist and

1070
00:49:54,859 --> 00:49:51,720
kakano

1071
00:49:58,670 --> 00:49:54,869
dismissing obviously you know decades

1072
00:50:02,509 --> 00:49:58,680
and decades of their sightings before so

1073
00:50:06,799 --> 00:50:02,519
as pertains to the metamaterial is

1074
00:50:10,039 --> 00:50:06,809
alleged is a Bigelow Aerospace how does

1075
00:50:12,380 --> 00:50:10,049
that fit in with obviously Bob Lazar and

1076
00:50:16,279 --> 00:50:12,390
the reverse engineering that obviously

1077
00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:16,289
asked for yeah I've talked many times

1078
00:50:21,890 --> 00:50:18,660
and and I get email every time I do

1079
00:50:25,370 --> 00:50:21,900
about this is Bob Lazar is another one

1080
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:25,380
I'm on the fence about yeah yeah I mean

1081
00:50:34,130 --> 00:50:29,249
it's just it's a tricky one in it is and

1082
00:50:35,479 --> 00:50:34,140
just when if someone well to use the I

1083
00:50:39,319 --> 00:50:35,489
don't know if I should say the word lie

1084
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:39,329
but if someone is just well doesn't tell

1085
00:50:43,549 --> 00:50:41,249
exactly the truth about one thing does

1086
00:50:47,979 --> 00:50:43,559
it mean that their whole story is bogus

1087
00:50:51,950 --> 00:50:47,989
that's I guess something to think about

1088
00:50:53,690 --> 00:50:51,960
and and I don't know I don't know the

1089
00:50:55,969 --> 00:50:53,700
thing I found interesting with the

1090
00:50:59,299 --> 00:50:55,979
poplars are was I think it was George

1091
00:51:02,569 --> 00:50:59,309
Knapp the Dalton after he was facing a

1092
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:02,579
felony for his involvement in setting up

1093
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:03,839
a brothel yes

1094
00:51:08,829 --> 00:51:07,170
in America and how you know the

1095
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:08,839
prosecution couldn't do the background

1096
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:12,690
checks on him and they become of his

1097
00:51:16,910 --> 00:51:15,119
feed off with him and he was looking at

1098
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:16,920
doing some time and you know in prison

1099
00:51:22,839 --> 00:51:19,920
and and his story didn't change in and

1100
00:51:27,170 --> 00:51:22,849
for me that would be the point where

1101
00:51:28,130 --> 00:51:27,180
you'd find holes in the story so hmm I

1102
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,140
see what you're saying

1103
00:51:32,479 --> 00:51:30,960
interests yeah you know thought that

1104
00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:32,489
that would be the time that you can't

1105
00:51:39,859 --> 00:51:37,380
Kate couldn't clean you know just

1106
00:51:42,349 --> 00:51:39,869
putting out there yeah yeah

1107
00:51:45,259 --> 00:51:42,359
no it's uh it's it's interesting I've

1108
00:51:47,450 --> 00:51:45,269
never another thing that I had never

1109
00:51:49,759 --> 00:51:47,460
actually thought of and in a very good

1110
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:49,769
point we are just about ready to go to

1111
00:51:56,329 --> 00:51:53,599
our real break here coming up and I

1112
00:52:01,160 --> 00:51:56,339
think we may as well just go now so my

1113
00:52:04,460 --> 00:52:01,170
guests from the UK northern Wales is Jay

1114
00:52:07,849 --> 00:52:04,470
Matthews and we will take a break now

1115
00:52:10,249 --> 00:52:07,859
and be back we are over a kgr a radio

1116
00:52:13,789 --> 00:52:10,259
and this is Martyn Willis with podcast

1117
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:13,799
UFO and hang in with us

1118
00:52:18,589 --> 00:52:16,319
we'll be right back after a few min

1119
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:18,599
welcome back to the show this is Martyn

1120
00:52:26,839 --> 00:52:23,730
Willis and my guest is J Matthews and we

1121
00:52:29,509 --> 00:52:26,849
were talking right before the break we

1122
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:29,519
got off in a tangent about you know

1123
00:52:36,410 --> 00:52:31,410
different things I think we talked a

1124
00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:36,420
little bit about bob lazar and i said my

1125
00:52:41,269 --> 00:52:38,609
feelings about that which have been

1126
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:41,279
unchanged even after I watched the

1127
00:52:49,249 --> 00:52:44,640
latest movie by Jeremy CoreValve I still

1128
00:52:52,220 --> 00:52:49,259
I still know I have on my website

1129
00:52:55,029 --> 00:52:52,230
podcast UFO calm I basically have a

1130
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:55,039
banter that I had a point-counterpoint

1131
00:52:59,210 --> 00:52:57,599
with the listener that last time I

1132
00:53:00,620 --> 00:52:59,220
talked about Bob Lazar he wrote me this

1133
00:53:03,739 --> 00:53:00,630
real long email I asked him if I could

1134
00:53:04,489 --> 00:53:03,749
post it on my on my website is a blog he

1135
00:53:07,009 --> 00:53:04,499
said go right ahead

1136
00:53:09,620 --> 00:53:07,019
so anyone could check that out and he

1137
00:53:11,809 --> 00:53:09,630
gives his point why he thinks it's real

1138
00:53:14,089 --> 00:53:11,819
and I gave my couple of points why I

1139
00:53:17,569 --> 00:53:14,099
think it's not real and and after I

1140
00:53:19,309 --> 00:53:17,579
watched Jeremy did a you know does good

1141
00:53:23,509 --> 00:53:19,319
work Jeremy Korbel been on the show a

1142
00:53:27,380 --> 00:53:23,519
few times but I felt like I was being

1143
00:53:29,089 --> 00:53:27,390
forced to believe that's the feeling I

1144
00:53:31,099 --> 00:53:29,099
got after watching that just like I was

1145
00:53:34,700 --> 00:53:31,109
kind of being forced to believe in the

1146
00:53:36,769 --> 00:53:34,710
show he had a very good opportunity he

1147
00:53:38,450 --> 00:53:36,779
had a very good opportunity to ask Bob

1148
00:53:41,569 --> 00:53:38,460
lazarre's mother right there in front of

1149
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:41,579
the camera you know what she thought

1150
00:53:46,789 --> 00:53:44,970
about him going to MIT I asked Jeremy

1151
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:46,799
why didn't ask you know a question like

1152
00:53:50,749 --> 00:53:49,440
that and he said we could we couldn't

1153
00:53:52,489 --> 00:53:50,759
put her on the spot with anything

1154
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:52,499
personal like that but I think that

1155
00:53:56,700 --> 00:53:53,770
would be the opportune

1156
00:53:58,740 --> 00:53:56,710
time you know to clear up some things

1157
00:54:01,170 --> 00:53:58,750
you know I mean it doesn't get better

1158
00:54:03,690 --> 00:54:01,180
than having a mother on the show but

1159
00:54:05,790 --> 00:54:03,700
anyway look ya know so you have you

1160
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:05,800
screwed up to your your computer again

1161
00:54:13,970 --> 00:54:09,119
if you would yeah there you go k yeah

1162
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:13,980
yeah but yeah a tremendous opportunity

1163
00:54:22,590 --> 00:54:20,410
to clear up any doubts maybe that's what

1164
00:54:24,690 --> 00:54:22,600
you know from yourself and other people

1165
00:54:28,260 --> 00:54:24,700
that you know stunts and Freeman there's

1166
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:28,270
a obviously somebody spoke out against

1167
00:54:33,330 --> 00:54:29,050
Bob Lazar

1168
00:54:34,770 --> 00:54:33,340
yeah bifocal so you know you would have

1169
00:54:38,340 --> 00:54:34,780
thought that they've been included in

1170
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:38,350
the film and hmm that's open to

1171
00:54:45,090 --> 00:54:41,290
interpretation yeah yeah there's a good

1172
00:54:47,820 --> 00:54:45,100
video you can watch on line on YouTube

1173
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:47,830
it's right on YouTube I just searched

1174
00:54:54,290 --> 00:54:51,280
debate Stanton Friedman Jeremy Korbel

1175
00:54:56,970 --> 00:54:54,300
Bob Lazar debate and check it out

1176
00:54:58,890 --> 00:54:56,980
Stanton Stanton always held his own he

1177
00:55:00,780 --> 00:54:58,900
did he did pretty good and he never he

1178
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:00,790
never lost it and in any debate I ever

1179
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:03,609
saw no absolutely not

1180
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:06,490
he's the Godfather of this object yeah

1181
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:09,520
yeah we're gonna miss him he's yeah yeah

1182
00:55:15,930 --> 00:55:13,050
yeah we greatly miss absolutely yeah so

1183
00:55:18,180 --> 00:55:15,940
let's see we are going to be taking

1184
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:18,190
calls coming up here in just a couple

1185
00:55:25,290 --> 00:55:22,930
minutes I'll put that number up did you

1186
00:55:28,620 --> 00:55:25,300
have a you had other experiences I

1187
00:55:30,270 --> 00:55:28,630
believe right later on in life but not

1188
00:55:35,700 --> 00:55:30,280
just UFO you've had some weird things

1189
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:35,710
happen you you say yeah yeah around 2014

1190
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:40,720
when I started my facebook page I need

1191
00:55:45,690 --> 00:55:42,850
to explain my background a little bit

1192
00:55:48,660 --> 00:55:45,700
my mother is disabled she's a kidney

1193
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:48,670
patients and and as a child she was

1194
00:55:52,530 --> 00:55:50,650
actually given overnight to live because

1195
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:52,540
they couldn't find a kidney back then

1196
00:55:58,080 --> 00:55:56,050
Wow she she claims that still to this

1197
00:56:02,370 --> 00:55:58,090
day that she saw an angel still by a

1198
00:56:06,810 --> 00:56:02,380
bedside and miraculously she went on to

1199
00:56:07,650 --> 00:56:06,820
make a recovery and you know fortunately

1200
00:56:12,289 --> 00:56:07,660
still works

1201
00:56:15,390 --> 00:56:12,299
study well so I was always brought up in

1202
00:56:18,599 --> 00:56:15,400
sort of the Christian household or

1203
00:56:20,370 --> 00:56:18,609
McGann Christian and you know it was

1204
00:56:25,049 --> 00:56:20,380
made to go to Sunday school every Sunday

1205
00:56:27,029 --> 00:56:25,059
and you know my my P's and Q's and you

1206
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:27,039
know pray before I go to bed and whatnot

1207
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:32,079
so I have always been spiritually minded

1208
00:56:40,819 --> 00:56:37,210
you know we say so you know my mom

1209
00:56:45,450 --> 00:56:40,829
wasn't too happy about me delving into

1210
00:56:47,819 --> 00:56:45,460
the whole UFO thing she yes she seems to

1211
00:56:50,029 --> 00:56:47,829
think it's prophesized then it's you

1212
00:56:52,529 --> 00:56:50,039
know it's fallen angels and whatnot but

1213
00:56:57,059 --> 00:56:52,539
you know that's that that's out there

1214
00:56:59,640 --> 00:56:57,069
for debate but I was moved back home I

1215
00:57:03,390 --> 00:56:59,650
lived in London for about eight eight

1216
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:03,400
nine years and myself and my body

1217
00:57:08,940 --> 00:57:05,710
a guy called Steve Jones out the idea

1218
00:57:10,410 --> 00:57:08,950
it's created a Facebook page and just

1219
00:57:14,940 --> 00:57:10,420
basically to answer some of our own

1220
00:57:17,220 --> 00:57:14,950
questions that we had and the idea

1221
00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:17,230
behind it was to unite some of their

1222
00:57:23,549 --> 00:57:19,119
what we thought at the time the greatest

1223
00:57:25,380 --> 00:57:23,559
minds in UK ufology so like you said

1224
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:25,390
earlier you know you go down the rabbit

1225
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:27,970
hole and you've got all your mainstream

1226
00:57:32,819 --> 00:57:30,490
cases that you you hear about and then

1227
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:32,829
people start sending you stuff you look

1228
00:57:39,660 --> 00:57:35,170
into it and you watch your your lesson

1229
00:57:43,230 --> 00:57:39,670
of an evening then and at the time I

1230
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:43,240
started having encounters with what I've

1231
00:57:50,819 --> 00:57:46,079
come to learn is called shadow entities

1232
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:50,829
now one thing I need to explain and you

1233
00:57:57,839 --> 00:57:54,730
know I'm a former fighter I wrestle

1234
00:57:59,940 --> 00:57:57,849
since I was 15 I'd like to think that

1235
00:58:01,380 --> 00:57:59,950
I'm a man's man and you know I don't

1236
00:58:07,769 --> 00:58:01,390
scare too easily

1237
00:58:09,059 --> 00:58:07,779
now these encounters started happening

1238
00:58:13,890 --> 00:58:09,069
while it was living at my mother's and

1239
00:58:17,250 --> 00:58:13,900
it was always I'd roll over and I can

1240
00:58:20,250 --> 00:58:17,260
only describe as a faceless tall black

1241
00:58:24,060 --> 00:58:20,260
shadow always stood over my bed

1242
00:58:26,940 --> 00:58:24,070
and I can only describe it as having

1243
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:26,950
some sort of panic attack now the

1244
00:58:32,490 --> 00:58:30,160
strange thing about that is I've never

1245
00:58:37,710 --> 00:58:32,500
had a panic attack I've never had heart

1246
00:58:38,940 --> 00:58:37,720
trouble and you know so this is alien to

1247
00:58:44,359 --> 00:58:38,950
me if you pardon the pun

1248
00:58:48,540 --> 00:58:44,369
so I'd roll over and then you know I'd

1249
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:48,550
almost be paralyzed in fear and the

1250
00:58:57,780 --> 00:58:53,410
first couple happened and it seemed to

1251
00:59:00,240 --> 00:58:57,790
get worse from there where you know I'll

1252
00:59:02,220 --> 00:59:00,250
give you a description I dumpster a lot

1253
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:02,230
muscling the tents thick in one spot

1254
00:59:08,970 --> 00:59:05,200
I've actually out there do they cover

1255
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:08,980
ripped from me and literally I used to

1256
00:59:12,570 --> 00:59:11,290
fall asleep grabbing it as a as a

1257
00:59:15,230 --> 00:59:12,580
security measure

1258
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:15,240
and I've actually physically had that

1259
00:59:20,849 --> 00:59:17,680
ripped through me and found the duvet

1260
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:20,859
right down the end of the bed and I've

1261
00:59:29,310 --> 00:59:27,760
also woken up where my head has been at

1262
00:59:31,500 --> 00:59:29,320
least a couple of feet from a pillow

1263
00:59:34,020 --> 00:59:31,510
and my legs are actually hanging out the

1264
00:59:39,330 --> 00:59:34,030
bad as they thought been pulled and

1265
00:59:43,770 --> 00:59:39,340
that's the sensation that I felt so cold

1266
00:59:46,830 --> 00:59:43,780
: story short you know I and again I was

1267
00:59:49,730 --> 00:59:46,840
still pretty new to the subject and a

1268
00:59:51,810 --> 00:59:49,740
friend of mine sent me a coast-to-coast

1269
00:59:55,140 --> 00:59:51,820
episode where they were talking about

1270
00:59:56,700 --> 00:59:55,150
these shadow entities and obviously I

1271
00:59:59,550 --> 00:59:56,710
had locked into you know had done a

1272
01:00:01,440 --> 00:59:59,560
Google search and sleep paralysis came

1273
01:00:03,930 --> 01:00:01,450
up and you know it was linked to

1274
01:00:07,290 --> 01:00:03,940
medication and whatnot but the one thing

1275
01:00:09,690 --> 01:00:07,300
I always remember what was this like

1276
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:09,700
strong musty odor

1277
01:00:17,849 --> 01:00:12,490
whenever I had these encounters now they

1278
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:17,859
say they say obviously we dream you

1279
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:19,570
shouldn't be able to sense anything and

1280
01:00:25,790 --> 01:00:23,200
then smell or taste or anything like

1281
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:25,800
that I don't know how the true done is

1282
01:00:34,249 --> 01:00:30,609
but these got worse than the point where

1283
01:00:36,930 --> 01:00:34,259
I was pretty terrified and

1284
01:00:42,509 --> 01:00:36,940
spoke to a few people about they said it

1285
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:42,519
was a common thing with abductees and I

1286
01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:44,890
am friends sort of saying you know

1287
01:00:50,309 --> 01:00:46,089
actually going for a past life

1288
01:00:53,249 --> 01:00:50,319
regression and that was pretty scary to

1289
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:53,259
me so you know I stared away from the

1290
01:00:59,519 --> 01:00:56,890
Avenue but it was around this time a

1291
01:01:03,509 --> 01:00:59,529
friend of mine took me through a UFO

1292
01:01:05,009 --> 01:01:03,519
conference in Lebanon suntan's and back

1293
01:01:07,769 --> 01:01:05,019
in the hotel where a lot of the guest

1294
01:01:09,509 --> 01:01:07,779
speakers were staying and you know we

1295
01:01:13,890 --> 01:01:09,519
were having a few drinks of need known

1296
01:01:17,759 --> 01:01:13,900
and I decided to kind of come out about

1297
01:01:20,370 --> 01:01:17,769
my experiences and asked for some advice

1298
01:01:22,979 --> 01:01:20,380
because this was it was a pretty scary

1299
01:01:25,380 --> 01:01:22,989
situation that was going on it you know

1300
01:01:29,279 --> 01:01:25,390
it was affecting my day-to-day work job

1301
01:01:31,709 --> 01:01:29,289
I wasn't sleeping properly and I Sayed

1302
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:31,719
the panic attacks where I couldn't catch

1303
01:01:39,569 --> 01:01:36,880
my breath were pretty bad and from what

1304
01:01:42,930 --> 01:01:39,579
I understand then the guy died obviously

1305
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:42,940
I confide that said these things feed on

1306
01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:48,130
fear and he also I won't name him but he

1307
01:01:55,849 --> 01:01:51,119
said about using a passive : nightlight

1308
01:01:59,339 --> 01:01:55,859
where chair I still used to this day now

1309
01:02:04,289 --> 01:01:59,349
lately from speaking to this chap at the

1310
01:02:07,979 --> 01:02:04,299
hotel he told me I had some important

1311
01:02:10,489 --> 01:02:07,989
message I had an aura around me and I I

1312
01:02:13,739 --> 01:02:10,499
wasn't too into that theory at the time

1313
01:02:16,519 --> 01:02:13,749
but one of the things he did say was I I

1314
01:02:20,099 --> 01:02:16,529
would start seeing a lot more thing and

1315
01:02:23,940 --> 01:02:20,109
he was nonspecific if it was craft he

1316
01:02:27,450 --> 01:02:23,950
said I was protected and these

1317
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:27,460
incidences stopped and I moved in with

1318
01:02:33,229 --> 01:02:31,210
my longtime girlfriend and we moved to a

1319
01:02:38,809 --> 01:02:33,239
place in North Wales called Wrexham

1320
01:02:44,099 --> 01:02:38,819
which again is another hot spot and I

1321
01:02:46,410 --> 01:02:44,109
won't cook one day and she she joked

1322
01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:46,420
that out some marks on my back and you

1323
01:02:48,839 --> 01:02:47,200
know made me

1324
01:02:50,790 --> 01:02:48,849
the joke that I've been cheating on

1325
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:50,800
there and there's someone willing to

1326
01:02:57,089 --> 01:02:54,970
scratch my back and you know obviously I

1327
01:02:58,829 --> 01:02:57,099
can't see what's on my back you're

1328
01:03:06,390 --> 01:02:58,839
supposed to always say aliens when there

1329
01:03:08,940 --> 01:03:06,400
happens yeah long story short and I

1330
01:03:10,770 --> 01:03:08,950
mentioned it to a friend of mine who

1331
01:03:15,030 --> 01:03:10,780
would actually give me an ultraviolet

1332
01:03:17,010 --> 01:03:15,040
torch and he advised me to go into a

1333
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:17,020
dark room shine a torch and take a

1334
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:21,609
picture now what was strange and bear in

1335
01:03:26,130 --> 01:03:23,170
mind you know it was my now

1336
01:03:28,589 --> 01:03:26,140
ex-girlfriend that took this was these

1337
01:03:31,859 --> 01:03:28,599
numbers appeared on my back so what it

1338
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:31,869
seemed to the naked eye is a couple of

1339
01:03:41,460 --> 01:03:35,290
marks and actually under the UV light

1340
01:03:44,420 --> 01:03:41,470
there was a 1:9 I think it was a two and

1341
01:03:49,140 --> 01:03:44,430
we couldn't make out last digit now

1342
01:03:51,329 --> 01:03:49,150
still to this day those numbers hold no

1343
01:03:54,270 --> 01:03:51,339
significance to me whatsoever

1344
01:03:57,660 --> 01:03:54,280
and suddenly I don't have the pictures

1345
01:04:00,720 --> 01:03:57,670
anymore because my phone broke I did

1346
01:04:02,940 --> 01:04:00,730
send them someone who I inquired

1347
01:04:08,069 --> 01:04:02,950
recently if he still has those pictures

1348
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:08,079
but we were both shocked and going

1349
01:04:13,380 --> 01:04:11,290
forward my ex-girlfriend she she would

1350
01:04:15,900 --> 01:04:13,390
so watch these documentaries I'd watch

1351
01:04:20,339 --> 01:04:15,910
over over my shoulder in the tappet kind

1352
01:04:24,780 --> 01:04:20,349
of way and as she said she liked to be

1353
01:04:27,170 --> 01:04:24,790
in a bubble and you know I guess the

1354
01:04:30,900 --> 01:04:27,180
stuff that I was watching and

1355
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:30,910
researching was a threat to that so

1356
01:04:36,809 --> 01:04:33,970
we're looking out the window over what's

1357
01:04:39,140 --> 01:04:36,819
known as lungs and in wrexham over a

1358
01:04:42,210 --> 01:04:39,150
place called Manero and it's quite a

1359
01:04:45,450 --> 01:04:42,220
hilly sort of area it's there's a lot

1360
01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:45,460
more land up there and it's not too far

1361
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:48,880
away from where the bear when UFO crash

1362
01:04:56,730 --> 01:04:54,130
happened so I turned to her and again

1363
01:04:59,220 --> 01:04:56,740
she was very skeptical about things I'd

1364
01:05:00,810 --> 01:04:59,230
seen in my past because I think she was

1365
01:05:02,940 --> 01:05:00,820
one of those people that she had

1366
01:05:03,990 --> 01:05:02,950
something with her own eyes to believe

1367
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:04,000
that mm-hmm

1368
01:05:09,870 --> 01:05:06,490
so we're stood looking out the window

1369
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:09,880
clear skies and looking over to the

1370
01:05:14,940 --> 01:05:12,250
hills and I turned her and I actually

1371
01:05:19,100 --> 01:05:14,950
said I would love it if you saw

1372
01:05:22,740 --> 01:05:19,110
something now which you couldn't explain

1373
01:05:23,820 --> 01:05:22,750
literally I'm talking within the next

1374
01:05:27,450 --> 01:05:23,830
couple of minutes

1375
01:05:29,460 --> 01:05:27,460
they sprite star-like object appeared in

1376
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:29,470
the sky and started moving towards her

1377
01:05:37,380 --> 01:05:32,290
house we hope we opened the window there

1378
01:05:42,420 --> 01:05:37,390
was no sign no sound even it was just

1379
01:05:44,730 --> 01:05:42,430
like a brilliant white orb and you know

1380
01:05:47,850 --> 01:05:44,740
too long to be a satellite I'd say is

1381
01:05:51,870 --> 01:05:47,860
low altitude as a plane coming into

1382
01:05:53,580 --> 01:05:51,880
landed nearby airport could have an

1383
01:05:55,530 --> 01:05:53,590
airport quite close to us so you can

1384
01:06:01,290 --> 01:05:55,540
kind of Judge there the height from

1385
01:06:03,930 --> 01:06:01,300
there but I run downstairs scramble my

1386
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:03,940
iphone tried to get some footage which

1387
01:06:08,940 --> 01:06:06,970
was was the best quite shaky and this

1388
01:06:13,590 --> 01:06:08,950
thing just moved in a straight line and

1389
01:06:15,810 --> 01:06:13,600
I say no he's less there was there was

1390
01:06:21,300 --> 01:06:15,820
no flashing lights or anything else just

1391
01:06:26,790 --> 01:06:21,310
this brilliant white light and then for

1392
01:06:30,810 --> 01:06:26,800
her was quite shocking for me it was I

1393
01:06:34,170 --> 01:06:30,820
didn't feel scared I didn't there was no

1394
01:06:37,170 --> 01:06:34,180
sort of feelings of fear or something

1395
01:06:40,350 --> 01:06:37,180
was coming specifically from there I was

1396
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:40,360
just there kind of balled over that you

1397
01:06:48,420 --> 01:06:43,050
know I bear witness the nurse now

1398
01:06:51,210 --> 01:06:48,430
obviously she's told friends and a lot

1399
01:06:54,030 --> 01:06:51,220
of people are as you know was skeptical

1400
01:06:56,610 --> 01:06:54,040
about this subject but it literally

1401
01:07:00,150 --> 01:06:56,620
happened where pretty much every time I

1402
01:07:02,910 --> 01:07:00,160
go outside for then a cigarette I used

1403
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:02,920
to smoke and I'd go out with friends

1404
01:07:09,870 --> 01:07:05,650
soared up witnesses with me and we'd see

1405
01:07:12,090 --> 01:07:09,880
these objects in the sky and I know they

1406
01:07:13,610 --> 01:07:12,100
can be dismissed as you know many

1407
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:13,620
satellites that are up there

1408
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:17,490
but what we bean-counters was whether a

1409
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:19,650
male friend of hers and we actually saw

1410
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:22,530
three objects in the shape of a triangle

1411
01:07:27,550 --> 01:07:24,960
I don't think it was a triangle because

1412
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:27,560
obviously you could see stars in between

1413
01:07:33,260 --> 01:07:31,410
but there was one at the front this one

1414
01:07:35,870 --> 01:07:33,270
up here was moving slower than the one

1415
01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:35,880
below and every so often it would sort

1416
01:07:45,260 --> 01:07:38,640
of go slow and then zip and catch up

1417
01:07:49,130 --> 01:07:45,270
with the others and you know I sort of

1418
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:49,140
almost became you iPhone guy and it's

1419
01:07:55,010 --> 01:07:51,810
not it's not a title I welcomed at the

1420
01:07:58,310 --> 01:07:55,020
time you know you're still Turnus they

1421
01:08:01,580 --> 01:07:58,320
got a lot of friends that think I'm

1422
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:01,590
completely yeah bonkers for even this

1423
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:05,130
stuff but at the same time you can't

1424
01:08:10,730 --> 01:08:08,250
deny what you've seen and you know with

1425
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:10,740
a lot of my videos or uploaded some a

1426
01:08:15,230 --> 01:08:14,010
personal Facebook page I've also got a

1427
01:08:19,579 --> 01:08:15,240
YouTube channel which you've just

1428
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:19,589
started uploading some stuff to yeah

1429
01:08:23,770 --> 01:08:21,810
what's it just if someone wants to find

1430
01:08:26,480 --> 01:08:23,780
that Facebook page actually have it

1431
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:26,490
linked will be linked in the show notes

1432
01:08:34,099 --> 01:08:31,920
it's so but give that out is it UFOs UK

1433
01:08:36,710 --> 01:08:34,109
is that put it is or exactly what is it

1434
01:08:41,060 --> 01:08:36,720
yeah the Facebook page is known as

1435
01:08:43,579 --> 01:08:41,070
ufology dot UK oh my own personal

1436
01:08:47,420 --> 01:08:43,589
YouTube channel is actually called Jane

1437
01:08:51,230 --> 01:08:47,430
Matthews MMA and it was a site created

1438
01:08:54,410 --> 01:08:51,240
for my day job which we've got into

1439
01:09:01,120 --> 01:08:54,420
modern it's become now it's been taken

1440
01:09:03,890 --> 01:09:01,130
over by UFO footage but you know it's

1441
01:09:08,990 --> 01:09:03,900
after that relationship and then I ended

1442
01:09:12,020 --> 01:09:09,000
up moving to where I am now and you know

1443
01:09:13,790 --> 01:09:12,030
that matter fantastic girl she she was

1444
01:09:16,790 --> 01:09:13,800
less skeptical about this and was

1445
01:09:19,099 --> 01:09:16,800
actually we go on sky watches together

1446
01:09:22,099 --> 01:09:19,109
and we had a lot burner in the back

1447
01:09:25,820 --> 01:09:22,109
garden we'd sit out so some nights to 3

1448
01:09:27,539 --> 01:09:25,830
o'clock in the morning and there was

1449
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:27,549
there was one day

1450
01:09:36,930 --> 01:09:31,330
it was a daytime side sent back in June

1451
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:36,940
of 2016 and her two children came

1452
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:40,330
running upstairs very excited to tell

1453
01:09:46,590 --> 01:09:42,130
with him something strange in the sky

1454
01:09:48,690 --> 01:09:46,600
and you know didn't need asking twice

1455
01:09:51,780 --> 01:09:48,700
ran downstairs you know got a pair of

1456
01:09:53,370 --> 01:09:51,790
trainers on and came out and then it

1457
01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:53,380
reserves a place

1458
01:10:00,090 --> 01:09:55,360
clear skies they brilliant blue skies

1459
01:10:02,970 --> 01:10:00,100
and over to the direction of morva my

1460
01:10:05,130 --> 01:10:02,980
which is this this big hill with this

1461
01:10:12,090 --> 01:10:05,140
ancient monument on it

1462
01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:12,100
and I can only describe as how do I

1463
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:19,600
explain us and not it was nothing and I

1464
01:10:26,430 --> 01:10:24,489
say you know you didn't look at a it

1465
01:10:28,890 --> 01:10:26,440
just looked up in the sky I looked out

1466
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:28,900
of place and I can only describe it as a

1467
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:32,010
ball where the larger ball underneath

1468
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:34,960
the top seems to be spinning this way

1469
01:10:38,820 --> 01:10:36,730
while the bottom was going this way

1470
01:10:41,940 --> 01:10:38,830
and every so often they would give off a

1471
01:10:44,370 --> 01:10:41,950
green and the red light and the footage

1472
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:44,380
of a I've slowed down and actually

1473
01:10:53,340 --> 01:10:49,330
zoomed in is on my youtube channel but I

1474
01:10:57,690 --> 01:10:53,350
send that off to some friends to unwise

1475
01:11:00,630 --> 01:10:57,700
and they took some stills and it's it's

1476
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:00,640
the oldest thing that I've ever seen in

1477
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:04,330
the sky and hung around for about I'd

1478
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:06,640
say approximately thirty minutes and

1479
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:10,210
then we watched it literally slowly it

1480
01:11:16,140 --> 01:11:13,330
was almost on an angle go up and so you

1481
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:16,150
know it was out of sight but this thing

1482
01:11:23,459 --> 01:11:20,080
was stationary in the sky and if I was

1483
01:11:28,500 --> 01:11:23,469
to estimate how far away it was I'd say

1484
01:11:30,030 --> 01:11:28,510
maybe 10 miles away but you know from

1485
01:11:32,970 --> 01:11:30,040
the position where the Sun was in the

1486
01:11:35,370 --> 01:11:32,980
sky you know obviously rational

1487
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:35,380
explanation was that you know perhaps it

1488
01:11:41,399 --> 01:11:37,330
was a helium balloon or something that

1489
01:11:43,589 --> 01:11:41,409
was trapped and from why not

1490
01:11:46,919 --> 01:11:43,599
into this helium balloons who IV float

1491
01:11:48,719 --> 01:11:46,929
so high off I'm the Sun was in the

1492
01:11:50,759 --> 01:11:48,729
opposite direction so it couldn't have

1493
01:11:53,370 --> 01:11:50,769
been one of these metallic helium

1494
01:11:56,729 --> 01:11:53,380
balloons that was you know glimmering in

1495
01:11:59,390 --> 01:11:56,739
the Sun man very old

1496
01:12:02,909 --> 01:11:59,400
you know whether it was one of ours or

1497
01:12:07,049 --> 01:12:02,919
you know it was of the worldly yes I

1498
01:12:09,149 --> 01:12:07,059
don't know but it was very odd then

1499
01:12:11,549 --> 01:12:09,159
again you know with this with this

1500
01:12:14,330 --> 01:12:11,559
girlfriend we've had numerous sightings

1501
01:12:18,149 --> 01:12:14,340
of orb like craft

1502
01:12:25,049 --> 01:12:18,159
I've actually purchased they're an

1503
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:25,059
illegal laser pad oh yeah they're there

1504
01:12:29,939 --> 01:12:27,489
any aircraft that come over but they're

1505
01:12:34,339 --> 01:12:29,949
it's good you know we lot on dr. Grey's

1506
01:12:38,489 --> 01:12:34,349
Channel and there was the c4i protocol I

1507
01:12:41,459 --> 01:12:38,499
tried to imitate this myself and given

1508
01:12:43,529 --> 01:12:41,469
the five bursts of light and we've

1509
01:12:45,899 --> 01:12:43,539
actually out things we're literally it's

1510
01:12:48,779 --> 01:12:45,909
almost as if someone turns on a torch in

1511
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:48,789
the sky and says you know hi we're here

1512
01:12:56,219 --> 01:12:52,449
we're acknowledging yet it disappears

1513
01:12:58,350 --> 01:12:56,229
and I've also seen things that you know

1514
01:13:03,540 --> 01:12:58,360
seemingly aren't there in the night sky

1515
01:13:05,669 --> 01:13:03,550
and literally just appear you know again

1516
01:13:08,549 --> 01:13:05,679
you know with technology now I use a

1517
01:13:14,129 --> 01:13:08,559
satellite tracker and you know I've got

1518
01:13:17,189 --> 01:13:14,139
the ISS track and I also got the app for

1519
01:13:20,609 --> 01:13:17,199
map and where the flights go mm-hmm

1520
01:13:23,429 --> 01:13:20,619
you know a device rational explanation

1521
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:23,439
and so you know we're not again it's not

1522
01:13:28,290 --> 01:13:26,320
just me when I've had numerous other

1523
01:13:32,489 --> 01:13:28,300
people Laird I've witnessed this as well

1524
01:13:37,529 --> 01:13:32,499
so whether these things are attracted to

1525
01:13:40,049 --> 01:13:37,539
me personally I don't know and but yeah

1526
01:13:43,290 --> 01:13:40,059
I just feel loved it to come see this

1527
01:13:46,589 --> 01:13:43,300
and unfortunately now I don't have the

1528
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:46,599
luxury of disbelief and I've seen enough

1529
01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:51,209
things from my own eyes - you know and

1530
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:54,159
convinced myself but I also convinced

1531
01:13:58,160 --> 01:13:55,410
others

1532
01:14:00,830 --> 01:13:58,170
and you know does that there's a lot of

1533
01:14:04,220 --> 01:14:00,840
my friends that you know you wouldn't

1534
01:14:06,290 --> 01:14:04,230
necessarily would believe in their

1535
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:06,300
subject that actually now follow this

1536
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:09,930
subject there pay attention so obviously

1537
01:14:16,250 --> 01:14:12,330
the stuff with T TSA and all the recent

1538
01:14:19,550 --> 01:14:16,260
stuff that's come out so you know that's

1539
01:14:21,050 --> 01:14:19,560
a win in my book yeah yeah you actually

1540
01:14:22,220 --> 01:14:21,060
have to you've fallen away from the I

1541
01:14:23,690 --> 01:14:22,230
know you're getting comfortable there

1542
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:23,700
you got to get a little bit closer all

1543
01:14:30,650 --> 01:14:26,570
right that's that's good right there so

1544
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:30,660
yes I understand what you're saying

1545
01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:33,210
and you know you're seeing all these

1546
01:14:38,660 --> 01:14:35,490
things happening and all that and it's

1547
01:14:40,730 --> 01:14:38,670
it is hard to know you know maybe some

1548
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:40,740
of the things have a prosaic answer to

1549
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:42,810
them maybe they don't you know I mean

1550
01:14:49,850 --> 01:14:46,560
it's awful hard to say unless you you

1551
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:49,860
know you can find out exactly what

1552
01:14:55,010 --> 01:14:52,650
something is you know they say what is

1553
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:55,020
it five percent of the sightings can't

1554
01:14:59,450 --> 01:14:57,210
be explained but the other ninety five

1555
01:15:02,780 --> 01:14:59,460
can so you know may perhaps some of

1556
01:15:05,060 --> 01:15:02,790
those are yeah I know that my sighting I

1557
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:05,070
really can't figure out if it could ever

1558
01:15:11,420 --> 01:15:08,250
be explained I've seen I had another

1559
01:15:12,860 --> 01:15:11,430
sighting that I don't really talk about

1560
01:15:14,990 --> 01:15:12,870
because it's not what I consider a

1561
01:15:18,170 --> 01:15:15,000
sighting because it could be most likely

1562
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:18,180
it could have been explained but you

1563
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:19,650
know it was like a satellite type of

1564
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:20,850
thing I thought it was the space

1565
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:23,930
International Space Station it was big

1566
01:15:29,150 --> 01:15:26,730
and then it but it moved you know it

1567
01:15:31,250 --> 01:15:29,160
didn't go just a straight line so but I

1568
01:15:32,990 --> 01:15:31,260
wouldn't call for sure if that's the

1569
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:33,000
sighting or not you know maybe that that

1570
01:15:36,890 --> 01:15:35,250
was again something that could be

1571
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:36,900
explained but it's all interesting and

1572
01:15:41,480 --> 01:15:38,850
it all happened because I had a sighting

1573
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:41,490
and I look up into the sky you know and

1574
01:15:45,500 --> 01:15:44,010
I think you know there's a lot of

1575
01:15:47,480 --> 01:15:45,510
opportunities where people could

1576
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:47,490
actually have a sighting if only they

1577
01:15:53,390 --> 01:15:51,810
were looking up into the sky yeah we

1578
01:15:55,970 --> 01:15:53,400
have the lines open if anyone wants to

1579
01:15:58,850 --> 01:15:55,980
call it and if you're over at the radio

1580
01:16:01,910 --> 01:15:58,860
station that number is six oh three nine

1581
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:01,920
six seven four OH three oh and anyone so

1582
01:16:05,570 --> 01:16:04,410
welcome to call in you can actually call

1583
01:16:07,730 --> 01:16:05,580
in if you just want to talk about a

1584
01:16:08,580 --> 01:16:07,740
sighting you had I always like to hear

1585
01:16:10,770 --> 01:16:08,590
about

1586
01:16:12,300 --> 01:16:10,780
sightings on this show and whether I'm

1587
01:16:14,820 --> 01:16:12,310
not on this show or I'm talking to

1588
01:16:17,490 --> 01:16:14,830
people you know when the subject comes

1589
01:16:18,959 --> 01:16:17,500
up and you know they tell me about a

1590
01:16:20,550 --> 01:16:18,969
sighting I'd love to hear sightings if

1591
01:16:23,490 --> 01:16:20,560
anyone wants to call in talk about a

1592
01:16:25,229 --> 01:16:23,500
sighting how about you do you do you

1593
01:16:27,950 --> 01:16:25,239
talk to people that actually tell you

1594
01:16:30,959 --> 01:16:27,960
about sightings are people comfortable

1595
01:16:32,810 --> 01:16:30,969
every day every day and there's that

1596
01:16:37,530 --> 01:16:32,820
through your Facebook page

1597
01:16:40,830 --> 01:16:37,540
yeah Rome Facebook and Twitter so I as

1598
01:16:41,669 --> 01:16:40,840
what my gear up ministers pointed out to

1599
01:16:44,399 --> 01:16:41,679
me early today

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01:16:46,350 --> 01:16:44,409
and I'm actually someone that tries to

1601
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:46,360
reply to literally every message that

1602
01:16:53,100 --> 01:16:49,449
comes in to my inbox and I've actually

1603
01:16:56,750 --> 01:16:53,110
just had a guy come tuck me for we were

1604
01:17:00,089 --> 01:16:56,760
all way towards a live report mm-hmm

1605
01:17:03,089 --> 01:17:00,099
he's seen very similar stuff to what

1606
01:17:07,740 --> 01:17:03,099
I've been seeing and I kind of treat it

1607
01:17:10,140 --> 01:17:07,750
in a way that I tried to imagine that if

1608
01:17:12,330 --> 01:17:10,150
it's their first time and they've got

1609
01:17:16,649 --> 01:17:12,340
the courage to come someone like myself

1610
01:17:18,149 --> 01:17:16,659
and report this and you know not not

1611
01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:18,159
knowing sort of what response they're

1612
01:17:23,339 --> 01:17:21,520
going to get because you still don't

1613
01:17:26,250 --> 01:17:23,349
know people are open-minded to this

1614
01:17:32,550 --> 01:17:26,260
subject and there is still a little bit

1615
01:17:35,399 --> 01:17:32,560
of a stigma so and I say there's a lot

1616
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:35,409
of things that kind of people write in

1617
01:17:39,810 --> 01:17:37,210
or send me a picture or a video and I'm

1618
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:39,820
like you know do you use a star map or

1619
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:43,090
you know could it be Venus and I'm the

1620
01:17:47,550 --> 01:17:45,610
kind of you know go away so scratching

1621
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:47,560
their heads and they're like oh yeah

1622
01:17:52,919 --> 01:17:50,170
well it could have been that and it's

1623
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:52,929
like like like like you touched upon you

1624
01:17:57,089 --> 01:17:54,730
know you have to kind of rule out what

1625
01:18:00,750 --> 01:17:57,099
it isn't before you start going down

1626
01:18:03,209 --> 01:18:00,760
that path but but also having the

1627
01:18:05,850 --> 01:18:03,219
patience to explain this to people

1628
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:05,860
because you know a lot of people see

1629
01:18:11,370 --> 01:18:09,210
things in which they can't explain now

1630
01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:11,380
hang on just one second we have a caller

1631
01:18:15,810 --> 01:18:13,360
on the line so call her if you could

1632
01:18:17,729 --> 01:18:15,820
mute your listening device while you're

1633
01:18:19,530 --> 01:18:17,739
on on the line you're ready to take that

1634
01:18:20,700 --> 01:18:19,540
call now or do you want to continue that

1635
01:18:23,970 --> 01:18:20,710
thought

1636
01:18:25,530 --> 01:18:23,980
no no good okay I look cool all right

1637
01:18:27,530 --> 01:18:25,540
call her your first name where you

1638
01:18:30,570 --> 01:18:27,540
calling from

1639
01:18:32,130 --> 01:18:30,580
it's James in Bellevue Washington mark

1640
01:18:34,229 --> 01:18:32,140
hi James

1641
01:18:35,820 --> 01:18:34,239
welcome to the show you do have a

1642
01:18:40,169 --> 01:18:35,830
question for our guest or you want to

1643
01:18:42,570 --> 01:18:40,179
talk about a sighting I wanted to just

1644
01:18:46,410 --> 01:18:42,580
die thank you first of for the program

1645
01:18:49,919 --> 01:18:46,420
and friends with one of your with one of

1646
01:18:51,570 --> 01:18:49,929
his countrymen James P Abbott wrote the

1647
01:18:53,459 --> 01:18:51,580
outsiders died

1648
01:18:55,070 --> 01:18:53,469
you have both which is a great book by

1649
01:19:02,250 --> 01:18:55,080
the way

1650
01:19:08,850 --> 01:19:02,260
anyway I citing I had I've had to 112

1651
01:19:13,470 --> 01:19:08,860
years ago and then one just laughed and

1652
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:13,480
it was a it was really oh yes you're

1653
01:19:30,090 --> 01:19:27,210
fine hmm okay it was on December 30th

1654
01:19:32,010 --> 01:19:30,100
nearing midnight we went out on the back

1655
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:32,020
porch of my folks house which is in

1656
01:19:38,669 --> 01:19:36,610
North Idaho and he was having a

1657
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:38,679
cigarette e smokes and I was looking up

1658
01:19:44,580 --> 01:19:41,010
in the sky like I always do

1659
01:19:49,860 --> 01:19:44,590
suddenly I saw this brilliant white

1660
01:19:51,689 --> 01:19:49,870
light going from west about the size of

1661
01:20:29,839 --> 01:19:51,699
maybe a pea if you held it out at arm's

1662
01:20:41,959 --> 01:20:35,390
/ in the day on almost complete degree

1663
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:41,969
early to the south and then they blinked

1664
01:20:55,339 --> 01:20:48,449
out it was like light stuck into it and

1665
01:20:57,350 --> 01:20:55,349
he just to this day yeah yeah I've heard

1666
01:20:59,359 --> 01:20:57,360
of that happening are you know number of

1667
01:21:12,740 --> 01:20:59,369
people have said that hey you know the

1668
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:12,750
speakerphone are you oh hey that's all

1669
01:21:17,450 --> 01:21:14,730
right hey thanks James and thanks for

1670
01:21:18,740 --> 01:21:17,460
the call and someday when you're not

1671
01:21:20,030 --> 01:21:18,750
have one you don't have to be on speaker

1672
01:21:24,589 --> 01:21:20,040
phone call back we'd like to hear the

1673
01:21:26,990 --> 01:21:24,599
other sighting as well so all right take

1674
01:21:30,410 --> 01:21:27,000
care all right so the line is open again

1675
01:21:32,209 --> 01:21:30,420
if anyone wants to call and that number

1676
01:21:36,069 --> 01:21:32,219
is up on the screen if you're on YouTube

1677
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:36,079
and if you're listening it's in the show

1678
01:21:41,060 --> 01:21:38,880
the line is only live during the show I

1679
01:21:44,780 --> 01:21:41,070
get calls all the time on it so it's

1680
01:21:47,390 --> 01:21:44,790
only during the show on Tuesdays at 6 to

1681
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:47,400
8 p.m. ET and that number six oh three

1682
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:51,170
nine six seven four oh three oh and

1683
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:54,570
you're welcome to call in and you know

1684
01:21:59,810 --> 01:21:57,210
you were finishing a sentence when the

1685
01:22:00,530 --> 01:21:59,820
caller called do you have remember what

1686
01:22:04,750 --> 01:22:00,540
it was

1687
01:22:08,359 --> 01:22:04,760
oh wow we still it's about so much and

1688
01:22:09,620 --> 01:22:08,369
well that's sorry I'd rather take you

1689
01:22:12,140 --> 01:22:09,630
know a lot of people say don't take

1690
01:22:14,540 --> 01:22:12,150
calls but I like I like calls because

1691
01:22:16,510 --> 01:22:14,550
it's like - said from the very beginning

1692
01:22:19,370 --> 01:22:16,520
eight years ago when I started this show

1693
01:22:23,810 --> 01:22:19,380
that I think we have someone else trying

1694
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:23,820
to call it that I wanted to be an

1695
01:22:29,030 --> 01:22:26,489
interactive show and I mean that today

1696
01:22:32,020 --> 01:22:29,040
so I also being interactive someone just

1697
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:32,030
tried to call and try again if you would

1698
01:22:39,379 --> 01:22:37,170
so of the alderney case the Channel

1699
01:22:42,350 --> 01:22:39,389
Islands that to me is one of the great

1700
01:22:43,129 --> 01:22:42,360
UFO stories did you have you looked into

1701
01:22:46,970 --> 01:22:43,139
that one

1702
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:46,980
yeah I have I think it first come to my

1703
01:22:52,189 --> 01:22:49,679
attention through I think it was bill

1704
01:22:54,140 --> 01:22:52,199
birnes he UFO ones his show oh yeah

1705
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:54,150
that's right you did that yeah yeah yeah

1706
01:22:59,300 --> 01:22:55,170
that's absurd

1707
01:23:03,169 --> 01:22:59,310
captain Ray Brower I think yeah I think

1708
01:23:07,820 --> 01:23:03,179
that sounds right yeah yeah yeah flying

1709
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:07,830
in a localized jet and a plane so he was

1710
01:23:13,250 --> 01:23:10,290
a prop planet Bolivia yeah sorry

1711
01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:13,260
probably the crazy thing about our sites

1712
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:16,560
and it was obviously the these actual

1713
01:23:23,419 --> 01:23:18,570
witnesses on board to play right well

1714
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:23,429
yeah the whole cadre is story and it's

1715
01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:25,530
magnificent to see ie

1716
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:28,800
probably very frightening for him to be

1717
01:23:34,399 --> 01:23:31,170
flying the course and you know to come

1718
01:23:36,410 --> 01:23:34,409
across this huge cigar shaped objects

1719
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:36,420
which I think he described as being

1720
01:23:42,050 --> 01:23:39,810
bright orange yeah huge or bright yellow

1721
01:23:46,010 --> 01:23:42,060
or orange I can't remember you're right

1722
01:23:49,330 --> 01:23:46,020
but like a but but the size of them I

1723
01:23:54,350 --> 01:23:49,340
think he he guessed as a size is huge

1724
01:23:55,879 --> 01:23:54,360
yeah you know exactly but he was thrown

1725
01:23:59,620 --> 01:23:55,889
out I mean you hear sometimes about

1726
01:24:02,840 --> 01:23:59,630
these huge objects whatever they are and

1727
01:24:05,870 --> 01:24:02,850
the if I'm not mistaken wasn't there a

1728
01:24:09,470 --> 01:24:05,880
second object yeah as well yeah that's

1729
01:24:11,359 --> 01:24:09,480
right yeah so it's and we had a guest on

1730
01:24:12,979 --> 01:24:11,369
he was either last week or the week

1731
01:24:15,500 --> 01:24:12,989
before and pardon me I just can't

1732
01:24:17,870 --> 01:24:15,510
remember who who it was where after that

1733
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:17,880
but but they basically brought up a very

1734
01:24:25,070 --> 01:24:21,360
good point these things obviously don't

1735
01:24:27,859 --> 01:24:25,080
mind if they're if we're worth seeing

1736
01:24:29,270 --> 01:24:27,869
them you know you mentioned that you you

1737
01:24:32,450 --> 01:24:29,280
mentioned the fact that you know maybe

1738
01:24:35,780 --> 01:24:32,460
there's they're picking on you are

1739
01:24:38,540 --> 01:24:35,790
showing themselves to you but but it's

1740
01:24:40,879 --> 01:24:38,550
it just it would be if they have the

1741
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:40,889
technology to get here there's no reason

1742
01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:43,440
they need lights there's no reason they

1743
01:24:48,620 --> 01:24:46,800
need to be seen and you know if they

1744
01:24:51,189 --> 01:24:48,630
have that type of technology they can

1745
01:24:53,689 --> 01:24:51,199
definitely cloak themselves and which

1746
01:24:57,800 --> 01:24:53,699
there's a lot of situations where they

1747
01:25:00,920 --> 01:24:57,810
are an apparent either cloaked or there

1748
01:25:02,690 --> 01:25:00,930
you know they're either you know here at

1749
01:25:05,540 --> 01:25:02,700
one point and they're at another point

1750
01:25:07,370 --> 01:25:05,550
you know instantly and and they're

1751
01:25:09,980 --> 01:25:07,380
bizarre but they're definitely not

1752
01:25:13,790 --> 01:25:09,990
hiding themselves unless there's more of

1753
01:25:16,730 --> 01:25:13,800
them hiding themselves there's a termini

1754
01:25:19,730 --> 01:25:16,740
UK which is thrown around quite loosely

1755
01:25:23,330 --> 01:25:19,740
and the truth truth seekers movement

1756
01:25:25,580 --> 01:25:23,340
which is a being awoken and a lot of

1757
01:25:28,490 --> 01:25:25,590
people seem to suggest that once you

1758
01:25:32,860 --> 01:25:28,500
wake you know you start seeing things

1759
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:32,870
with a lot more frequency and myself

1760
01:25:38,410 --> 01:25:36,090
having looked into the background I've

1761
01:25:43,490 --> 01:25:38,420
looked into the psychic phenomena and

1762
01:25:47,810 --> 01:25:43,500
also paranormal and I you know it's open

1763
01:25:51,620 --> 01:25:47,820
to suggestion but I believe be a lot of

1764
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:51,630
these things move on frequencies mm-hmm

1765
01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:53,730
if you go to a lot to make megalithic

1766
01:26:00,730 --> 01:25:58,080
sites in the UK with EMF detectors to

1767
01:26:03,290 --> 01:26:00,740
measure felt like Cho mic

1768
01:26:07,490 --> 01:26:03,300
electromagnetism frequency I think it's

1769
01:26:09,500 --> 01:26:07,500
called mm-hmm yep a lot of these stone

1770
01:26:11,390 --> 01:26:09,510
circles and these ancient places by the

1771
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:11,400
Druids worshiped and whatnot on these

1772
01:26:18,500 --> 01:26:13,770
ancient cultures actually give off these

1773
01:26:20,270 --> 01:26:18,510
frequencies and so perhaps in some sense

1774
01:26:25,220 --> 01:26:20,280
that's that's connected to the whole

1775
01:26:27,050 --> 01:26:25,230
portals theory and you know they perhaps

1776
01:26:30,770 --> 01:26:27,060
you know likes of Stonehenge and

1777
01:26:33,980 --> 01:26:30,780
somebody's ancient sites were that they

1778
01:26:36,350 --> 01:26:33,990
were openings for things to move perhaps

1779
01:26:41,230 --> 01:26:36,360
from their fourth dimension or beyond

1780
01:26:44,300 --> 01:26:41,240
that into our reality yeah there's

1781
01:26:45,890 --> 01:26:44,310
there's there's so many thoughts and so

1782
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:45,900
many that's why I like having different

1783
01:26:50,420 --> 01:26:48,210
people on the show you know to hear

1784
01:26:51,890 --> 01:26:50,430
people's opinions because you know it's

1785
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:51,900
something we definitely don't know

1786
01:26:59,150 --> 01:26:54,810
what's going on but it's it's really fun

1787
01:27:01,940 --> 01:26:59,160
to explore so if anyone wants to in the

1788
01:27:03,980 --> 01:27:01,950
in the chatroom I see this a number of

1789
01:27:05,390 --> 01:27:03,990
people in there if anyone wants to post

1790
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:05,400
a question I'll try to get that question

1791
01:27:16,540 --> 01:27:10,730
over to you and as we go along here

1792
01:27:21,580 --> 01:27:16,550
but what do you think about the the

1793
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:21,590
perception of of UFOs in the UK in

1794
01:27:26,410 --> 01:27:24,650
general do you think that you mentioned

1795
01:27:28,540 --> 01:27:26,420
that there was a little bit of turmoil

1796
01:27:32,410 --> 01:27:28,550
going on there but has it always been

1797
01:27:37,660 --> 01:27:34,690
as far as I'm aware when I came into

1798
01:27:42,070 --> 01:27:37,670
this to say publicly it was at the

1799
01:27:44,650 --> 01:27:42,080
probably about 2014 and you know you

1800
01:27:46,450 --> 01:27:44,660
just started to find your feet yeah you

1801
01:27:47,860 --> 01:27:46,460
know you put me up with a few people who

1802
01:27:48,730 --> 01:27:47,870
you think can point you in the right

1803
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:48,740
direction

1804
01:27:55,660 --> 01:27:52,610
and you know there was caramel waters

1805
01:27:57,820 --> 01:27:55,670
there was a few disputes ongoing and you

1806
01:28:01,510 --> 01:27:57,830
know you told mocks trust this person

1807
01:28:03,490 --> 01:28:01,520
because he's a proven liar and whatnot

1808
01:28:06,070 --> 01:28:03,500
III can't like to find out for myself

1809
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:06,080
and you know I like to give everyone the

1810
01:28:13,990 --> 01:28:10,970
benefit of the doubt now from then to

1811
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:14,000
now way it's such a contrast and you

1812
01:28:20,440 --> 01:28:16,130
look at the infighting that's currently

1813
01:28:24,130 --> 01:28:20,450
going on in UK ethology I know a touch

1814
01:28:26,490 --> 01:28:24,140
sparkler earlier but some of the some of

1815
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:26,500
the witch hunts that people are

1816
01:28:33,430 --> 01:28:31,130
embarking on is it's shameful you know

1817
01:28:36,310 --> 01:28:33,440
it's everyone's got a right to an

1818
01:28:38,740 --> 01:28:36,320
opinion and they you know something I

1819
01:28:42,310 --> 01:28:38,750
always say on my page you know you don't

1820
01:28:45,010 --> 01:28:42,320
have to agree with my opinion you know

1821
01:28:47,050 --> 01:28:45,020
you can disagree with me it doesn't mean

1822
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:47,060
we have to fall allow to resort to

1823
01:28:55,330 --> 01:28:51,010
name-calling or you know bringing up

1824
01:28:58,630 --> 01:28:55,340
personal things as some people do I I

1825
01:29:00,760 --> 01:28:58,640
just that's not something that resonates

1826
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:00,770
within me I don't see how anything is it

1827
01:29:06,610 --> 01:29:04,130
she from doing that if anything you know

1828
01:29:08,290 --> 01:29:06,620
to the outsider looking then it probably

1829
01:29:11,020 --> 01:29:08,300
turns more people away from their

1830
01:29:12,970 --> 01:29:11,030
subjects because they think you know I I

1831
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:12,980
can't be bothered with that you know

1832
01:29:20,290 --> 01:29:16,250
well especially the way social media is

1833
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:20,300
now in trouble and you know it's huge

1834
01:29:24,350 --> 01:29:22,850
and you know we're gonna I get a lot of

1835
01:29:30,290 --> 01:29:24,360
negative comments

1836
01:29:32,810 --> 01:29:30,300
I used to take it really personally you

1837
01:29:35,660 --> 01:29:32,820
know I think to put yourself out

1838
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:35,670
publicly in the subject you can't amines

1839
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:37,410
have a fix good

1840
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:40,290
yeah because there are some crazies out

1841
01:29:45,290 --> 01:29:43,050
there sadly and then you know it's the

1842
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:45,300
same with the same of any sort of

1843
01:29:52,190 --> 01:29:48,810
friendship Jets is you know it does seem

1844
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:52,200
to attract you know that demographic of

1845
01:29:58,100 --> 01:29:53,610
the few that just want to cause trouble

1846
01:29:59,720 --> 01:29:58,110
will then but yeah it's sad cuz they you

1847
01:30:02,530 --> 01:29:59,730
know it takes away all the great work

1848
01:30:08,210 --> 01:30:02,540
that you know many of the the uk-based

1849
01:30:09,710 --> 01:30:08,220
researchers they and I'm also oh I

1850
01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:09,720
didn't mean to walk over you there but

1851
01:30:16,340 --> 01:30:12,000
now let's go I think it's it's not just

1852
01:30:19,100 --> 01:30:16,350
isolated to the UK to I think I was just

1853
01:30:23,530 --> 01:30:19,110
gonna say that in in general yeah I mean

1854
01:30:26,510 --> 01:30:23,540
I I do get some hate mail quite a bit

1855
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:26,520
not not all that not all the time but I

1856
01:30:30,650 --> 01:30:28,410
would say once a month I get a pretty

1857
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:30,660
nasty one or something like that but I

1858
01:30:34,250 --> 01:30:32,370
will give the next person that wants to

1859
01:30:38,990 --> 01:30:34,260
write me some hate mail maybe about Bob

1860
01:30:41,900 --> 01:30:39,000
Lazar that's okay but don't make it

1861
01:30:44,330 --> 01:30:41,910
twenty pages long because you'll lose me

1862
01:30:46,250 --> 01:30:44,340
in the first two paragraphs I can't I

1863
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:46,260
can't read those twenty page emails and

1864
01:30:50,810 --> 01:30:48,810
I and that's what I get those are the

1865
01:30:52,220 --> 01:30:50,820
ones that really go on these people

1866
01:30:54,730 --> 01:30:52,230
should write a book I mean that's that's

1867
01:31:00,980 --> 01:30:58,010
yeah so someone in the chatroom wanted

1868
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:00,990
me to ask you about the staffordshire

1869
01:31:08,650 --> 01:31:04,530
case that happened back in 1954 I

1870
01:31:11,450 --> 01:31:08,660
believe is that they the comic chase

1871
01:31:13,670 --> 01:31:11,460
sightings all that there was they said

1872
01:31:14,270 --> 01:31:13,680
there are humanoids itit's humanoids or

1873
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:14,280
something

1874
01:31:21,470 --> 01:31:19,410
yeah our beliefs like again it's not a

1875
01:31:23,210 --> 01:31:21,480
case I've looked into in great detail

1876
01:31:27,590 --> 01:31:23,220
because I think it's been done so many

1877
01:31:29,690 --> 01:31:27,600
times but then I think on you know the

1878
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:29,700
evidence which has been supplied in the

1879
01:31:34,730 --> 01:31:32,730
amount of witness testimony but the was

1880
01:31:37,940 --> 01:31:34,740
back then is that is there was a flap

1881
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:37,950
around the area and I I believe

1882
01:31:42,470 --> 01:31:40,050
speaking so the few friends I have that

1883
01:31:44,770 --> 01:31:42,480
live over that way that it's a it's

1884
01:31:48,590 --> 01:31:44,780
still ongoing to this day really well

1885
01:31:50,210 --> 01:31:48,600
yeah yeah but but they but all sorts

1886
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:50,220
over there the you know there's been a

1887
01:31:57,770 --> 01:31:54,690
lot a lot of cryptid stories and again

1888
01:32:00,260 --> 01:31:57,780
you know are these areas in the UK I

1889
01:32:01,940 --> 01:32:00,270
know we mentioned Rendlesham before are

1890
01:32:04,910 --> 01:32:01,950
they similar to what's going on over at

1891
01:32:08,270 --> 01:32:04,920
skinwalker ranch well you know seemingly

1892
01:32:11,180 --> 01:32:08,280
all these different dimensions intersect

1893
01:32:13,420 --> 01:32:11,190
with one of their own you know it may be

1894
01:32:15,710 --> 01:32:13,430
an explanation for some of these

1895
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:15,720
sightings you know not just UFO

1896
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:19,170
paranormal you know things have been

1897
01:32:23,480 --> 01:32:20,850
sighted like you know going back

1898
01:32:25,750 --> 01:32:23,490
centuries of werewolves in England and

1899
01:32:29,420 --> 01:32:25,760
you know what were strange things and

1900
01:32:32,510 --> 01:32:29,430
yeah I get again it's out there so yeah

1901
01:32:34,340 --> 01:32:32,520
and I don't think you know perhaps some

1902
01:32:36,980 --> 01:32:34,350
of these are you know fairy tales and

1903
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:36,990
made up or you know legends or whatever

1904
01:32:44,180 --> 01:32:41,730
but I do believe that there that there

1905
01:32:46,070 --> 01:32:44,190
are things that are actually happening I

1906
01:32:48,350 --> 01:32:46,080
mean you know with just experiences I've

1907
01:32:50,330 --> 01:32:48,360
had and and but I do believe that

1908
01:32:52,810 --> 01:32:50,340
there's a lot that's happening that we

1909
01:32:55,340 --> 01:32:52,820
have really not much of a clue about

1910
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:55,350
exactly what it is I feel the same way

1911
01:32:58,760 --> 01:32:56,250
about ghosts

1912
01:33:00,170 --> 01:32:58,770
and now I'm gonna have actually we're

1913
01:33:02,270 --> 01:33:00,180
going to touch on that subject a little

1914
01:33:06,490 --> 01:33:02,280
bit on this show I have Ben Hansen

1915
01:33:10,190 --> 01:33:06,500
coming up as a friend of mine factor

1916
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:10,200
faked or fact that's what he's known for

1917
01:33:16,190 --> 01:33:13,410
but he'll be coming up on July 9th and

1918
01:33:17,930 --> 01:33:16,200
he's gonna be he's in a new Travel

1919
01:33:21,020 --> 01:33:17,940
Channel show about ghosts so we're gonna

1920
01:33:23,540 --> 01:33:21,030
be talking about that but so I think

1921
01:33:25,730 --> 01:33:23,550
there's I know there's something to it

1922
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:25,740
is just what the heck is it you know and

1923
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:29,850
there are people that that have an idea

1924
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:34,890
you know Paul you know you know his idea

1925
01:33:38,570 --> 01:33:36,930
is that everything's like a different

1926
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:38,580
dimension we have a call coming in right

1927
01:33:43,910 --> 01:33:40,050
now and it's perfect because I'm

1928
01:33:45,470 --> 01:33:43,920
blabbering away and caller welcome to

1929
01:33:51,470 --> 01:33:45,480
the show your first name and where are

1930
01:33:55,820 --> 01:33:51,480
you calling from hi

1931
01:33:57,710 --> 01:33:55,830
Charlie you said Charlie right yes yes

1932
01:34:04,930 --> 01:33:57,720
how are you got a question you want to

1933
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:07,640
haven't told many people about this but

1934
01:34:20,750 --> 01:34:11,850
I figured best place for it anyway

1935
01:34:25,390 --> 01:34:20,760
yeah so this happened in 2012 I was

1936
01:34:30,130 --> 01:34:25,400
living in Portland Oregon on all it was

1937
01:34:34,990 --> 01:34:30,140
180 second foul where I live and that

1938
01:34:37,550 --> 01:34:35,000
Northeast Portland now my back porch

1939
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:37,560
face downtown Portland

1940
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:40,050
so basically when I walked out in my

1941
01:34:44,090 --> 01:34:41,010
back porch

1942
01:34:48,290 --> 01:34:44,100
I was looking directly towards downtown

1943
01:34:51,290 --> 01:34:48,300
Portland now this happened in the middle

1944
01:34:55,340 --> 01:34:51,300
of the day I say it was about two

1945
01:34:59,060 --> 01:34:55,350
o'clock in the afternoon and this was

1946
01:35:03,920 --> 01:34:59,070
fall time I'd say around October

1947
01:35:06,440 --> 01:35:03,930
September I remember correctly mm-hmm so

1948
01:35:08,900 --> 01:35:06,450
I'm looking I'm looking west towards

1949
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:08,910
downtown Portland and I noticed a cloud

1950
01:35:16,070 --> 01:35:12,090
system it was a pretty clear day I've

1951
01:35:22,430 --> 01:35:16,080
noticed a cloud system coming towards me

1952
01:35:28,580 --> 01:35:22,440
and it looked very odd because it was

1953
01:35:31,220 --> 01:35:28,590
perfectly shaped as a Hoffman and so I

1954
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:31,230
continued watching it just because I had

1955
01:35:40,550 --> 01:35:34,290
never seen a cloud formation like this

1956
01:35:42,620 --> 01:35:40,560
before so as it approached me I started

1957
01:35:46,910 --> 01:35:42,630
to notice that the center of the cloud

1958
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:46,920
formation had a very bright orange cloud

1959
01:35:57,050 --> 01:35:51,210
at the center so obviously if they were

1960
01:36:02,390 --> 01:35:57,060
curious as it passed over me I look back

1961
01:36:05,350 --> 01:36:02,400
at it they put it past me and I've seen

1962
01:36:10,300 --> 01:36:05,360
what the bright light was it was

1963
01:36:16,550 --> 01:36:10,310
lowing white yellowish discs

1964
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:16,560
I mean almost as bright as the Sun yeah

1965
01:36:21,010 --> 01:36:20,130
it was pretty amazing for me at the time

1966
01:36:24,379 --> 01:36:21,020
anyway

1967
01:36:30,939 --> 01:36:24,389
now where was the Sun in conjunction to

1968
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:30,949
the to the cloud this the Sun was I

1969
01:36:35,810 --> 01:36:34,170
remember exactly where the Sun was but I

1970
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:35,820
knew the Sun couldn't be in the cloud

1971
01:36:42,169 --> 01:36:37,290
you know what I mean

1972
01:36:49,100 --> 01:36:42,179
so but anyway there wasn't any other

1973
01:36:56,330 --> 01:36:49,110
light it was just a glowing mist very

1974
01:37:00,459 --> 01:36:56,340
bright white orangist light and I had

1975
01:37:03,379 --> 01:37:00,469
wondered you know if if that pilot was

1976
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:03,389
soaring that oh whoa why would he fly it

1977
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:06,810
over a heavily populated area like that

1978
01:37:19,209 --> 01:37:12,690
and all that ice maybe they were testing

1979
01:37:21,609 --> 01:37:19,219
their cloaking visibilities so that

1980
01:37:25,580 --> 01:37:21,619
that's my story

1981
01:37:28,339 --> 01:37:25,590
apparently this this ship

1982
01:37:33,250 --> 01:37:28,349
I called it ship had the ability to

1983
01:37:38,089 --> 01:37:33,260
either attract class to magnetically or

1984
01:37:40,430 --> 01:37:38,099
project them holographically well you're

1985
01:37:42,550 --> 01:37:40,440
not you're not the only one that's

1986
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:42,560
mentioned something like this before

1987
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:46,770
there was someone on this show a guest

1988
01:37:52,310 --> 01:37:49,170
on the show several months ago that

1989
01:37:54,109 --> 01:37:52,320
talked about this cloud formation that

1990
01:37:57,080 --> 01:37:54,119
had something going on in the center of

1991
01:37:59,720 --> 01:37:57,090
it I'm gonna say was like six months ago

1992
01:38:03,470 --> 01:37:59,730
it was a very interesting and and almost

1993
01:38:04,729 --> 01:38:03,480
similar to that and he thought in his

1994
01:38:07,790 --> 01:38:04,739
story they was talking about that the

1995
01:38:10,839 --> 01:38:07,800
clouds actually played some type of role

1996
01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:10,849
in what was it was doing so it's not

1997
01:38:18,779 --> 01:38:14,610
it's not a totally unheard of type of

1998
01:38:22,339 --> 01:38:18,789
situation but anyway I

1999
01:38:27,989 --> 01:38:22,349
I often wonder also if anybody else

2000
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:27,999
because hmm the Portland is 2 million

2001
01:38:34,770 --> 01:38:32,050
people ranked in it you know they just

2002
01:38:37,589 --> 01:38:34,780
thought it's just a cloud going by

2003
01:38:41,489 --> 01:38:37,599
mm-hmm you know maybe maybe nobody did

2004
01:38:43,979 --> 01:38:41,499
notice it but it was a I couldn't see it

2005
01:38:46,410 --> 01:38:43,989
I couldn't see the disk all I could see

2006
01:38:51,029 --> 01:38:46,420
was the bright sun's light until it's

2007
01:38:54,149 --> 01:38:51,039
ostomy and until you know the perfect

2008
01:38:57,600 --> 01:38:54,159
skate past me once it taxed me it wasn't

2009
01:38:59,819 --> 01:38:57,610
it wasn't a perfect shape like that

2010
01:39:05,729 --> 01:38:59,829
anymore and I could see inside the cloud

2011
01:39:09,899 --> 01:39:05,739
I actually even I had pictures of it on

2012
01:39:13,529 --> 01:39:09,909
my old cell phone however whatever

2013
01:39:19,770 --> 01:39:13,539
reason those extra somehow mysteriously

2014
01:39:27,239 --> 01:39:19,780
got deleted off my sim card anymore it

2015
01:39:30,330 --> 01:39:27,249
was a men in black yeah hey Charlie

2016
01:39:32,850 --> 01:39:30,340
thanks for the call and thanks for the

2017
01:39:38,910 --> 01:39:32,860
thanks for the citing always love to

2018
01:39:40,979 --> 01:39:38,920
hear citing stories thank you bye yeah I

2019
01:39:43,589 --> 01:39:40,989
think we're gonna probably we've got

2020
01:39:44,609 --> 01:39:43,599
about seven minutes left to the show so

2021
01:39:46,830 --> 01:39:44,619
we're probably not going to take another

2022
01:39:50,669 --> 01:39:46,840
call and then unless someone's got some

2023
01:39:54,169 --> 01:39:50,679
real short you know either sighting or

2024
01:39:58,709 --> 01:39:54,179
question they can ask real quickly and

2025
01:40:00,629 --> 01:39:58,719
let's see your what did you have like a

2026
01:40:02,489 --> 01:40:00,639
certain event that made you decide to

2027
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:02,499
create the Facebook page now by the way

2028
01:40:08,189 --> 01:40:06,010
there's something like 22 or 23 thousand

2029
01:40:10,589 --> 01:40:08,199
people it's no slouch of a Facebook page

2030
01:40:13,049 --> 01:40:10,599
a lot of people are involved in it and

2031
01:40:16,949 --> 01:40:13,059
and it's pretty active do you actually

2032
01:40:21,890 --> 01:40:16,959
spend part of your day cultivating that

2033
01:40:24,839 --> 01:40:21,900
ice yeah I spend too much about tell you

2034
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:24,849
you know he takes incredible amount of

2035
01:40:32,100 --> 01:40:28,570
time to go through all the current

2036
01:40:35,729 --> 01:40:32,110
stories and I'll obviously try and it be

2037
01:40:37,770 --> 01:40:35,739
consistent with posts because as you

2038
01:40:40,709 --> 01:40:37,780
know there's so much information coming

2039
01:40:42,570 --> 01:40:40,719
out around the world and you know with

2040
01:40:44,609 --> 01:40:42,580
the invention of smartphones and

2041
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:44,619
technology increasing more and more

2042
01:40:52,590 --> 01:40:48,489
people are capturing things so it's

2043
01:40:54,990 --> 01:40:52,600
important to you know as important as

2044
01:40:57,540 --> 01:40:55,000
all the past cases are it's important to

2045
01:40:59,820 --> 01:40:57,550
get the new stuff out because you know

2046
01:41:01,680 --> 01:40:59,830
there's a there's a lot there's a lot of

2047
01:41:05,310 --> 01:41:01,690
people on the internet that don't

2048
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:05,320
necessarily know where to look and you

2049
01:41:09,209 --> 01:41:07,210
know some of the forums that we go

2050
01:41:11,070 --> 01:41:09,219
through and you know some of the

2051
01:41:15,300 --> 01:41:11,080
lesser-known cases but you're equally as

2052
01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:15,310
important so you know we try and keep a

2053
01:41:22,050 --> 01:41:19,330
good balance between and obviously you

2054
01:41:22,500 --> 01:41:22,060
know stuffers fell on going from the

2055
01:41:24,990 --> 01:41:22,510
past

2056
01:41:27,300 --> 01:41:25,000
ie Rendlesham and some the other

2057
01:41:31,910 --> 01:41:27,310
sightings and all the stuff that's

2058
01:41:35,010 --> 01:41:31,920
currents and then our news headlines and

2059
01:41:39,689 --> 01:41:35,020
it's crazy you know I speak about that

2060
01:41:42,330 --> 01:41:39,699
the UK tabloids which oh yes I I'm not a

2061
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:42,340
massive fan of yeah you know you can see

2062
01:41:50,970 --> 01:41:47,650
why it's quickly quick beat it is and

2063
01:41:54,359 --> 01:41:50,980
then but there's almost a story now in a

2064
01:41:57,120 --> 01:41:54,369
our British tabloids multiple stories on

2065
01:42:00,300 --> 01:41:57,130
a daily basis mm-hmm I'm not a head yeah

2066
01:42:02,310 --> 01:42:00,310
some of it yes some of the people that

2067
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:02,320
they go into is like you know the go-to

2068
01:42:09,419 --> 01:42:06,250
guy for sightings and I know rate these

2069
01:42:12,750 --> 01:42:09,429
as a few eyebrows in the UK UFO

2070
01:42:14,520 --> 01:42:12,760
community and but it's it's good that

2071
01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:14,530
they're reporting their stuff and then

2072
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:17,170
you know we're in a totally different

2073
01:42:23,100 --> 01:42:19,290
context and he would say 10 years ago

2074
01:42:26,189 --> 01:42:23,110
yes yes I I've noticed then you know

2075
01:42:30,750 --> 01:42:26,199
even prior to the you talked about the

2076
01:42:32,399 --> 01:42:30,760
December 16th article 2017 the New York

2077
01:42:34,530 --> 01:42:32,409
Times and what's changed since then

2078
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:34,540
basically we brought that up earlier but

2079
01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:37,090
even prior to that the the tabloids were

2080
01:42:42,209 --> 01:42:40,690
going pretty crazy in UFO stories yeah

2081
01:42:44,189 --> 01:42:42,219
you know even for the last number of

2082
01:42:45,390 --> 01:42:44,199
years I want to say the last three four

2083
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:45,400
years I've

2084
01:42:50,700 --> 01:42:48,010
noticed it Alejandro Rojas and I had had

2085
01:42:54,090 --> 01:42:50,710
talked about that as well on on this

2086
01:42:55,530 --> 01:42:54,100
show you know how how active that is I'm

2087
01:42:59,010 --> 01:42:55,540
gonna give just a little bit of a plug

2088
01:43:03,110 --> 01:42:59,020
from for myself here too and that is a I

2089
01:43:07,590 --> 01:43:03,120
want to I want to say thank you to Peggy

2090
01:43:08,399 --> 01:43:07,600
Peggy lives in and Nevada and she got in

2091
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:08,409
touch with me

2092
01:43:12,750 --> 01:43:11,290
I think and my very first few months of

2093
01:43:17,180 --> 01:43:12,760
my show and we've been in touch ever

2094
01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:17,190
since we became good friends she she can

2095
01:43:23,610 --> 01:43:21,280
she can really debate with someone when

2096
01:43:24,870 --> 01:43:23,620
she's unhappy with them she she really

2097
01:43:27,419 --> 01:43:24,880
stands her ground she's a real character

2098
01:43:30,540 --> 01:43:27,429
now Peggy has been do it has been

2099
01:43:34,919 --> 01:43:30,550
working my Facebook page for now at

2100
01:43:36,930 --> 01:43:34,929
least five years every single day during

2101
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:36,940
the day she will post a story on there

2102
01:43:41,370 --> 01:43:39,010
so if you go to a podcast UFO in the

2103
01:43:43,380 --> 01:43:41,380
Facebook page you'll see a story every

2104
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:43,390
single day and I want to thank Peggy

2105
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:45,730
very much because she does this totally

2106
01:43:49,470 --> 01:43:48,010
out of she says boredom but it's

2107
01:43:53,399 --> 01:43:49,480
actually the kindness of her heart she's

2108
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:53,409
very nice to do that so anyone can check

2109
01:43:58,740 --> 01:43:55,570
out stories you can click on that right

2110
01:44:00,780 --> 01:43:58,750
on right on our website there's a icon

2111
01:44:03,810 --> 01:44:00,790
to that do you have actually have I try

2112
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:03,820
to find a website and of yours but you

2113
01:44:08,340 --> 01:44:05,290
don't have a website you just have the

2114
01:44:11,220 --> 01:44:08,350
the Facebook page right yeah the movie

2115
01:44:15,090 --> 01:44:11,230
just the social media pages a website

2116
01:44:18,030 --> 01:44:15,100
isn't it works and but between you know

2117
01:44:20,010 --> 01:44:18,040
family issues and like you obviously

2118
01:44:22,890 --> 01:44:20,020
meant a day job takes up a lot more time

2119
01:44:25,380 --> 01:44:22,900
yeah and you know I have a full-time job

2120
01:44:29,209 --> 01:44:25,390
and then I also have a second job where

2121
01:44:33,689 --> 01:44:29,219
I put on mixed martial arts events and

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you know pretty big scale so well you

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know x times limited I do have guys that

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help assist me with stories yet the idea

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being everyone's got their own little

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sort of niche segment were then you

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follow G and and obviously if I'm down

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or I'm sick or something there's always

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one the guys that can pick up the slack

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and keep the page maintained but

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website something we need to look out

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for the future family just remember once

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you create it you gotta cultivate it and

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you got to always be married to the

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thing that's the one thing about its

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lutely yeah yeah it's well it's not that

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much different than a Facebook page and

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no you know and there are so many people

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that are interested in this topic that

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find things on on on both YouTube and

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Facebook and any other Twitter and all

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that stuff and I did go ahead sorry just

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to enter up there sorry to cut you off

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but our numbers grow on a daily basis

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Twitter Facebook and I Instagram as well

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01:45:47,819 --> 01:45:44,860
yeah and you know there's more and more

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people sort of perhaps seeing things or

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they you know watch their documentary on

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the History Channel

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maybe they're inquisitive what the

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numbers are growing and there's more and

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more people are you know becoming more

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open to the subject and you know perhaps

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previous right right so we just have

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about a minute here to wrap it up and I

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did want to thank you very much for

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staying up late there in and joining us

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01:46:20,580 --> 01:46:17,829
here in the states it's in it's it's

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just been a real pleasure and no thank

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you

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Jen's I hope the listener can take a

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jump over and check out his UFO page

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01:46:34,050 --> 01:46:31,360
please do that that's gonna be linked in

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our show notes and you you have yourself

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a good good evening and almost almost

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too bad now that you are alright alright

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so you take care thank you all right

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thanks again all right with that okay

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01:46:52,109 --> 01:46:49,179
alright everyone so that's it for the

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show tonight and we will be back next

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01:46:56,910 --> 01:46:54,610
week at the same time next week we are

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going to have another British accent and

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that's an Nick Redfern it's gonna be on

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he's going to be talking about his new

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book and it's UFOs and the Kremlin and

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that's kind of a personal favorite of

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mine to look into myself just

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a little bit here and there it's very

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fascinating so I can't wait to talk to

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him next week and I want to thank

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everyone that listens to the show and

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everyone that helps out of our guests